Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/November 2021 riots in the Netherlands


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The result was merge to COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands. Or 2021 Dutch curfew riots, as to be detemined by interested editors.  Sandstein  10:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

November 2021 riots in the Netherlands

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The article reads like a news report, provides little context for those unfamiliar with the subject, and has not been significantly improved since 22 November. I do think that the event is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, but not in the article's current state. While deletion is an option, its content could also be merged into COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands, or be moved to the draftspace where it can be further improved (and potentially expanded to include other protests and riots over COVID-19 policies in the Netherlands, cf. Protests over COVID-19 policies in Israel and COVID-19 protests in the United Kingdom). Any other suggestions are also welcome, of course. &#8213; Ætoms  [talk] 17:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. &#8213;  Ætoms  [talk] 17:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * merge to 2021 Dutch curfew riots also see talk page not need yet for deletion request. Shadow4dark (talk) 18:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't support a merger into 2021 Dutch curfew riots, as I think that these particular riots are notable and distinctive enough to be kept as a separate article. Having been described as the worst riots in the Netherlands since 1980, they were the subject of much more media attention, and are commonly referred to as the avondklokrellen – a term that does not apply to the November 2021 riots. Therefore, I think that the creation of a new article that provides an overview of the (smaller) COVID-19 protests and riots in the Netherlands would be a better solution. &#8213; Ætoms  [talk] 18:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge to 2021 Dutch curfew riots. I think it is important it is handled correctly as there is references from three seperate continents, which is very wide coverage. The date ranges on the curfew only cover January 2021, so it will an expansion, if merged, although I think seperate articles are better, renaming the curfew article to ''January 2021 riots in the Netherlands.     scope_creep Talk  18:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into 2021 Dutch curfew riots; maybe rename it into something like COVID-19 protests in the Netherlands. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see my response to above. What are your arguments for merging the article into 2021 Dutch curfew riots? The latter is already quite a solid article on its own, in my opinion. &#8213;  Ætoms  [talk] 14:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have particularly strong feelings on this either way; I see where you're coming from but I'm hesitant to support deleting mention of the November protests altogether, and I think probably easier and more manageable to have one single article for COVID-19 protests for a specific country. How about summarising and merging into Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic instead? Arcahaeoindris (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge. Only into COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands. I will explain later. gidonb (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I found some time to provide my rationale. For clarity, I will build in steps. [Q1] Could this be kept? [A1] Certainly, the riots are notable and there is no problem at all of NOTNEWS or not anything else. [Q2] Should it be kept? [A2] Definitely not, it is very brief and has little unique content versus the parent. The article is a premature WP:SPINOFF. The content can be combined, streamlined a bit, and lives very well under the parent, COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands. [Q3] What about the other merge options that were suggested, 2021 Dutch curfew riots and COVID-19 protests in the Netherlands? [A3A] The first option, 2021 Dutch curfew riots, is totally unacceptable. Against policy. Bad and wrong. This is a sibling of the subject and we merge only into a parent if the current content structure is preserved. Never into a sibling. [A3B] COVID-19 protests in the Netherlands would be a spinoff for all children combined. I do not know if this is already needed or justified yet deserves more scrutiny. If someone wants to build this case, based on literature that deals with a range of protests in the Netherlands, I will read it with great interest. A simple and solid solution without a complete subject overhaul is a merge into the parent. gidonb (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: What article shall we merge it with? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands, per . Merging into Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic (as suggested by ) could work as well, but I personally think that the detailed information about the November riots fits better within the structure of COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands. I'm definitely against merging into 2021 Dutch curfew riots, per [A3A]. &#8213;  Ætoms  [talk] 11:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


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