Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nozar Azadi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. This AFD has been open for 3 weeks and aside from the nominator, there are only 2 "pernoms" on the delete side. Though I agree with the "keep" side that it's likely that in this case there must be sources, I almost closed this "no consensus" since that argument usually doesn't cut any ice. Give this a few months and we can revisit the issue again if nothing turns up. Note to Aliwiki. I notice that you have some contributions to the Persian Wikipedia so you could have said something more then "per WP:Notability" like tell us what you found, or didn't find, when looking for Persian sources. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Nozar Azadi

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Article says he is "famous", but I cannot find RS support for notability per wp standards. Tagged for notability two years ago. Epeefleche (talk) 07:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 09:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of notability. --Cox wasan (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The subject certainly should be notable, as he genuinely seems to have been one of the leading Iranian actors of the 1970s. Unfortunately, while that should mean that reliable sources exist, it may also make tracing them difficult. In English, there are at least a couple of reliable mentions of his performing in Orghast, which Peter Brook produced in Persepolis in 1971 in connection with the 2,500 year celebration of the Persian Empire, but reliable sources for the rest of his career are likely to be mostly in Persian and from the 1970s - however popular he was in Iran before the 1979 revolution, it seems very unlikely that he has been popular with the rulers there since. In fact, he seems to have been mainly living outside Iran and trying to make a second career as a painter for at least the past 20 years. By the way, while (judging by a very poor Google translation), the corresponding article on Persian Wikipedia seems to be no better than the current English one, it does seem to have some information that the English article doesn't. PWilkinson (talk) 12:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the interesting history. While his article says he is famous, I still can't see the RS support for that, or sufficient non-trivial (more than passing mention) RS coverage sufficient to satisfy our notability requirements.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:50, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:Notability. --Aliwiki (talk) 15:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relist rationale: The two comments in favour of deletion have made no attempt to advance an argument or to expand upon the nomination and appear to be drive-by comments of little merit. That leaves the nom and the one "weak keep". I'm leaving this open for a little while longer because finding sources for 1970s Iranian actors is no mean feat and I would hate to think that we were deleting an article on somebody hugely notable in Iran just because he is less well-known in the west—that would be an excellent example of systemic bias and one more stick for our critics to beat us with. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Azadi seems to have been the John Cleese of Iran - people only have to think of him and they smile. Since he fled Iran in the 1979 revolution he stopped appearing in films, so we have only old memories, video sites aplenty, blogs, and IMDB to go on if we rely on easy Google searches; clearly there must be archives from Iran, in Farsi, that would provide proper proof. Meanwhile I agree with HJ Mitchell  that Azadi was a huge character in Iran pre-1979, pre-Web, pre-Google, and we should not make the silly mistake of deleting the article because we aren't good at Farsi or accessing archives in Teheran. I've added what I can - it would not normally be thought anything other than terribly scrappy - but for an expat Iranian subject I suspect it's all we can quickly gather. What I have proved, I think, is that Azadi did exist, did make many popular films, did move to the USA, did exhibit paintings, has been widely blogged, is still remembered fondly by Iranians. Can we enlist the help of a Farsi-speaking Wikipedian? Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The Orghast citations are reliable; and the fact that Peter Brook chose Azadi to perform at Persepolis does confer a degree of notability. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Nozar Azadi is actually a very famous Iranian actor. There are thousands of Persian-language sources about him. Kurdo777 (talk) 10:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Kurdo777, that's what I thought, given the evidence I found on blogs and so on. If you have time, could you add some citations (footnotes in English) to the best Persian-language sources to help prove notability? Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:43, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * relist comment - it still needs sourcing, Farsi sources are fine but if its unsourced the keep arguments are unevidenced assertions. Spartaz Humbug! 06:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not entirely unevidenced, but we are clearly light on reliable English sources. Most of what is written in English about him is either blogs by expatriates, or brief comments on the many videos - indicating that we ought to make an effort to find Persian speakers to locate the evidence that undoubtedly exists. Do we not have a decent route for making inquiries on Persian WP? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong keep He was quite famous in Iran in 1970s. Alefbe (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.