Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nselaa Ward


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Nselaa Ward

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Very promotional article full of primary sources, both on the articles and on Google. I dream of horses (talk) (contribs) Remember to &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me after replying off my talk page 20:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete, hopelessly promotional as it stands. If she's notable enough for an article, it's definitely not this one. SarekOfVulcan (talk)  21:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

additional citations have been made. What additional information do you recommend. It is very important that we not attempt to erase black history and women's history. How can I assist in helping to preserve this.
 * Delete. No pass of WP:Prof. No pass of WP:GNG. Too overly promotional with inadequate sources. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC).

can you be more specific about what is promotion so that adjustments can be made.
 * Yes. Provide reliable sources WP:RS that will establish notability. Best wishes,. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC).

thank you for the reccomendatioon. There are already books, news interviews, and websites. Is that not enough? I there something specific that you are looking for?


 * Keep, the article needs cleanup. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 21:45, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per the case made by ; I'm afraid your case falls. Please note that WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Cheers!  ——  SN  54129  21:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC).
 * . That is completely my view point. I shall stand with the majority. May be can improve myself to the article, if the majority goes otherwise. Cheers. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 22:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

There are several other articles written about individuals of the same notability that were apart of the same movement with this article. It is important to have a complete history. There are entire articles and pages about organizations that she created - but not a page about her specifically? That seems unreasonable. There is an article on the performance troup Slam Nuba that she was a co-founder of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slam_Nuba. There are articles on the other co- founders but not her - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_LeFebre, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzi_Q._Smith, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Mikahn There is an entire page on the March for Women's Lives, which she helped to cordinate, but not about the person that helped create it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Women%27s_Lives_(2004)  She is clearly notable. I am relatively new to wikipedia contributions, but it appears that based on the the deletion page it would be a keep Keep Keep: Meets WP:N — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaPerry22 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * http://slamnuba.com/about/ does not list Ward/The Original Woman as a founding member, but one who competed in the second year after founding. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

original woman was a founding member - there was actually a major event that clarified this in Colorado recently; however, sources like this have not updated their records. But that is not the main issue here. The main issue is notability

,, ,    Thank you all for your feedback. There have been a plethora of of sources added including a movie that was written about her, Several books that were written about her, CSPAN news clips on her, and a lot more. Is there anything else that is needed to close this conversation. I am new to this contributor process so any advise is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaPerry22 (talk • contribs), 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - you need to find verifiable reliable sources that are not primary sources that speak to the notability of the article subject. In other words, if there are newspaper or magazine articles that are ABOUT her (not by her); reviews of her books or creative works that are written by someone else that is published in a notable academic journal, newspaper or magazine; awards that she has received that are not from her faculty page or cv, but from an external source, etc. Do read up on WP:RS, WP:VERIFY and other Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You should not include primary sources (written by the subject themselves), or any social media or blog sources. Netherzone (talk) 00:24, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for this assistance. There are several articles that are about her and not by her that are cited, including CSPAN, principia news, now.org, world slam, slam nuba, arkansas gazette, john hopskins news and more, and some books as well that were written by independent sources. This should be considered verifiable sources. Is there anything else that needs to be fixed? — AndreaPerry22 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment -  Please read WP:GNG. This guideline explains the requirements for establishing notability. The subject will need several sources that meet all of the requirements mentioned: Significant coverage, Independent of the subject and from Reliable(WP:RS) secondary sources. Unfortunately, at the moment I don’t see any of the references that meet all of these requirements.   CBS 527 Talk 05:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


 * there were several indpendent sources mentioned. including CSPAN as well as several books, and academic university news papers. Is there something wrong with these sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaPerry22  (talk • contribs) 02:59, 10 March 2020  (UTC)


 * Comment and questions: The article tells us that "She is known primarily for her international TEDx talk where she discussed leadership and diversity", a talk that "picked up attention quickly". I can imagine that this or that particular TEDx talk can pick up attention, or even that it can retain attention; but the article provides no evidence for this. Evidence is needed, because TEDx talks are very numerous, and your average TEDx talk is unremarkable. (Is there informed discussion of her talk?) Or is there a misstatement in the article? If she's known primarily for something else, what is this? -- Hoary (talk) 07:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This is,, the only TED talk I could find. IMO it seems rather routine and unremarkable. I can't find any independent sources discussing this  CBS 527 Talk 10:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - As others have said the sources in the article are inadequate to establish notability, thus failing WP:GNG. In fact quite a few of the references don’t mention the subject at all. Google searches turn up nothing helpful, mostly PR announcements, Youtube and social media. Further, there is no mention of Nselaa Ward anywhere on site where the article states she was a “National Field Director” and, nobody with the name of “Nselaa Ward“ has ever been licensed to practice law in the United States. What I did find was an attorney named “ Nitche Selaa Ward” in Colorado,  whose profile (and certain photos online) are identical to the subject.There was also an article on the NOW website that mentions a Nitche Ward. Neither Nselaa Ward nor Nitche Ward have adequate sources to establish notability. Based on some Google searches, there is the possibility this article could be part of a “rebranding” campaign for the subject, IMO.   CBS 527 Talk 22:23, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


 * There are several things that make her notable and they are all independent of each other. 1. She organized the 2004 March for Women's Lives - which was the largest women's march. This was cited in CSPAN. 2.  She was on the Poetry Slam team that was the #1 Slam Team in the world (Slam Nuba). This was cited in the slamnuba website. 3. She was the first woman to win the State Arkansas Grand Slam (cited in an Arkansas newspaper) 4. She was ranked in the top 5 Women of world poetry slam champions. (cited by the women of the world poetry website)  Any of these independently is enough for her to be considered notable.  This is one top of all of the other items that she did. Whether she is notable is a separate discussion from what should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaPerry22  (talk • contribs) 02:59, 10 March 2020  (UTC)


 * Could the article be a hoax? Xxanthippe (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC).
 * No, I don’t believe the article is a hoax. There is more to the story that isn’t necessary to bring up in the AFD. The “search” link in my delete post above will provide more information for you to form your own opinion. Regards,  CBS 527 Talk 01:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Your point being, I suppose, that there is a source there that says "Nitche S. Ward" was disbarred from practising law in 2017. If that is her it should certainly be in the BLP. A smart find. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2020 (UTC).


 * NO she is a real person. It is not a hoax. I did not include information about license suspension because from what discussed at the townhall meeting - it is something that is in litigation.  I did include that she compromised /risked her licences.  However, I did see where wiki indicated that did not approve of debatable derogatory information in BLP, So I was careful not to include partial facts considering it is something that is still controversial and in litigation. Also, her legal name is Nselaa Ward. The other AKAs are stage names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaPerry22  (talk • contribs) 02:59, 10 March 2020  (UTC)
 * Her strongest claim to notability is to have been disbarred from practising law in the State of Colorado in 2017. This is not enough for WP:GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC).
 * @AndreaPerry22 . Do you have any connection with the subject of this BLP that you created? Is there any WP:COI that you should declare? Xxanthippe (talk) 05:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC).


 * Delete This is so fundamentally promotional that there is no way of cleaning it up--and there is no point in trying because there is no underlying notability . If someone really thinks there might be, the best course would be to start over from scratch.  DGG ( talk ) 11:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Question. The links that I clicked on within the references mention Nitche (S.) Ward but not Nselaa Ward. (Most of them do. There was a playlist that didn't obviously mention either, and one or two other obscurities.) The article doesn't even mention the former name. If an article is warranted, why is it titled "Nselaa Ward"? -- Hoary (talk) 12:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NUKE. This article is so promotional that I can't see how it could be fixed (and there are few things I like better than taking a chainsaw to a gert chunk o'spam). I dont't buy the claims of notability. And I think that anybody who lists that many 'occupatios' is probably rubbish at most of them.TheLongTone (talk) 16:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I've been unable to verify much of the article.-Jahaza (talk) 16:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per CBS527....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Noticing another big claim in the article, I clicked on the reference provided, and found nothing there. Perhaps a "snow" close? -- Hoary (talk) 13:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - After doing quite a bit of searching, the conclusion is that this person is not notable. Yes, there are a few mentions but nothing in depth that substantiates WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Netherzone (talk) 14:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, The article does not meet WP:GNG. Alex-h (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete AndreaPerry22 (talk) 04:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This isn't an encyclopedia article. It's some kind of CV, resume or advertisement. Its intent is to promote the person, not to summarize her life and achievements in a neutral way. We can't possibly host this.—S Marshall T/C 12:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Article is nothing more than a CV/Professional bio, possibly created for promotional and web-presence boosting reasons (especially if she was disbarred in 2017 and it is not included in the article). Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


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