Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nu metal (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   article is sloppily written but speedily kept. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Nu metal
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Article was last nominated in August on the basis that the term itself was an inconsistently-used neologism that has passed out of favor. The article itself was quite poor at the time of its last nomination, and has since worsened. Lacks any reliable, verified sources, full of original research, and is more often the subject of vandalism and spurious additions than legitimate edits. Same deal with the band list, which is filled with poorly-verified additions and edited by individuals who have refused to spend any time legitimately researching the musicians claimed within the supposed genre, and ignore research that shows that multiple bands were not, in fact, associated with the term. Multiple music critics and musicians associated with the term have agreed that it is a neologism. The archives are full of disagreement over what constitutes association with the term. Archives for millions of unconnected bands are filled with arguments over whether or not to associate that band with this term. Let's put this dog of an article to sleep and never discuss it again. Ibaranoff24 (talk) 00:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages:


 * Note: I am removing List of nu metal bands from this deletion discussion because it just went through a deletion process on May 25, 2009. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Notable, widely used term. GripTheHusk (talk) 01:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some references establishing notability: a book, and a music news article from MTV and take your pick of news articles that use the phrase. Sancho 01:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Question. On what basis have you nominated this for deletion? I assume it is the claim that this article lacks reliable, verified sources. The other issues are not best resolved by deletion (vandalism, bad contributions, difficulty determining inclusion of musicians). The article talk page is the place to discuss and fix poor sourcing, bad contributions, and original research. Sancho 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See discussion on talk, he nominated the article for deletion after consensus did not sway in his direction. It started as a content dispute, then ended up here. Landon1980 (talk) 02:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 01:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both and trout the nominator for wasting everyone's time. I may think nu metal sucks, but as a genre its as notable as thrash or prog metal (which don't suck). Umbralcorax (talk) 02:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both Seriously? Obviously notable music genre, even if it flamed out.  All other concerns are requests for clean-up, not deletion. Resolute 03:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The genre is played by a thick amount of notable bands, including mainstream bands. It isn't a silly umbrella term, either (not that that's a reason for deleting an article, though). Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  03:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Article is a mess, but AfD is not clean-up. Obviously not a neologism, as the term has been used in the mainstream music press for at least a decade. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 06:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep It is a notable sub-genre of 90's heavy metal. Portillo (talk) 08:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.