Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nur Hedik


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  13:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Nur Hedik

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The subject does not meet GNG, BASIC, ANYBIO, or NSOLDIER. Sources in the article are not SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth. The The Scramble in the Horn of Africa simply states, "Rumours of the desertions of Nur Hedik (leader of the Dervish horse) and his following are still current." (no other mentions in book). The Times source only states they were shot (6 words total). The final source is quoted in the article, so it is obvious this is a mention, not SIGCOV. BEFORE showed nothing. This is related to the previous AfD here.  // Timothy :: talk  22:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to satisfy GNG and BASIC. Mztourist (talk) 04:10, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - it's very sketchy. It's not clear when he was commander of the Dervish cavalry, or if he was commander of whole or some part; the article itself seems to turn into coverage of Dervish cavalry part way through. It's also an orphan. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:00, 26 February 2021 (UTC).
 * Comment, Hedik was commander overall of cavalry, since commanders of subsections had other names such as Casardega, Isumara, Xamarka, Baroorka, Dooxato or Lufato. One such commander of a subsection of cavalry was a guy named Mursal Saacid. As you can see, I haven't created a page on Mursal because Mursal isn't as notable as the overall commander of Dervish cavalry whom happened to be Hedik. As for the time period, he was commander from Dervish begginnings to his death. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 11:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there are not sources that support this. Please read WP:OR WP:SYNTH.  // Timothy :: talk  11:58, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nowhere is Nur Hedik referred to as commander of Casardega, Isumara, Xamarka, Baroorka, Dooxato or Lufato. Rther each sources discussing him directly links him to the entire Dervish organization. Furthermore, in the multiple chapters of intelligence reports, no other person has the term leader of cavalry, or horse etc. attached to them, only Nur Hedik. As such, its safe to say that the lede is accurate. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe a lot of OR/SYNTH is being added to the article to try and puff this person up into something they are not; the source and new info added to the article doesn't mention this person . Two pages related to this person, Shire Umbaal and Adam Maleh, have already been deleted.  // Timothy :: talk  10:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The way the development of the article has taken since AfD started is towards a treatment of the Dervish cavalry and not the person of who we have learned nothing more. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If this was about Dervish cavalry, then the composition such as Casardega, Isumara, Xamarka, Baroorka, Dooxato or Lufato would have been included. Also, other cavalry raids which are known for Hedik not being involved such as Bebera raid in 1914 and Burao raid in the same year would have been included. However I have opted not to include these raids as it had nothing to do with Hedik. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's all seems like a lot of stitching together of whatever snippets are available rather than a treatment of the man and his use of the resources. GraemeLeggett (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm quite knowledgeable on the subject and you are free to leave in-line tags on the page wherein I will hopefully corroborate on whichever matter you believe is unsubstantiated. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I've given you something to do then.GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:14, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep contrary to Timothy's assertions of no other mentions, other mentions do exist, albeit with different spellings. Furthermore, it was a common policy to avoid directly naming leaders of Dervish adversaries, see for instnce "six leaders of the enemy's force were killed" albeit nameless (source), as such, when Nur Hedik gets named despite this British censorship, it is indicative of significance. Furthermore, its clear that Hedik was overall commander of Dervish horse, since he wasn't named by any of the sub battalions named above, and the sources are from independent mutually exclusive dates and authors. When you couple this with the fact that no other sources describes an overall cavalry commander, then its safe to say that Nur Hedik was overall commander of the Dervish cavalry. Instances when sub-battalions of Dervish cavalry were in action I have explicitly excluded from this page. Heesxiisoleh (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * We can handle alternate spellings in sources but WP:Verifiability means if he's not mentioned by name then it's OR or synth to interpret mentions of the Dervish horsemen as being mentions of him. We need named mentions. And we need content because WP:MERGEREASON applies "Short text: If a page is very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic" - and then this article will just be a redirect to Dervish or Somaliland campaign where it could just say "The commander of the Dervish cavalray was killed in 19xx" GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet SIGCOV or GNG. Topic is not notable enough and is not significantly covered. Dabaqabad (talk) 13:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom. - wolf  02:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


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