Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nurse Ratched


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Courcelles 15:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Nurse Ratched

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AfDs related to this article:  WP:PLOT; character biography presents no additional plot/fictional biography information or criteria proving notability that isn't already covered in the plot sections of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel) or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (film).  Sottolacqua  (talk) 13:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Not only has the character spawned significant critical commentary with regard to the novel, the play, and the movie, but she has become a common metaphorical figure in artistic, social and political discussion. Here's just a sample of Gnews cites from 2010 which refer to the character without mentioning the underlying work.    . Article could certainly use expansion in terms of the available critical commentary, but that's certainly not a reason to delete. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep . Although, I believe the novel makes repeated reference to the character's bosom, which is described as quite large. Fortunately this was kept out of the film. Louise Fletcher is a fine actress, but... you know... Anyway, so long as the article makes no mention of this aspect of her anatomy, I see no reason to delete. If this were an actual person, of course, that would be another matter. Dekkappai (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment On the other hand, "Consensus" says we delete Randle McMurphy. This is a proud day for Wikipedia. Removing this fanboy cruft is sure to help raise our reputation as a forum for reasonable discussion. Dekkappai (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Per consensus on Randle McMurphy‎, which is now a redirect. I might have voted Delete here originally, but I was afraid it would be an obvious "Pointy" disruption. Some things are beyond satire, however, and Wikipedia is one of them. Dekkappai (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is no consensus on Randle McMurphy‎, it's an ongoing deletion debate and citing the fact that there's an on-going deletion debate on that page seems a strange argument for a delete vote here. Also, that page is not a redirect, it is a standing article. I'm a little baffled. Carrite (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The Randle McMurphy AFD was originally closed as "delete", and the page was converted to a redirect. I objected to the outcome, and the closing admin graciously restored the article and relisted the AFD. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If I might step out of character: That these two articles were even seriously nominated for deletion is evidence to me of an absurdly huge problem with the WP system, which is the reason I left, coming back now & then just to moon the inmates. As Big Nurse-- er, Big Bad Wolfowitz-- points out, McMurphy was actually deleted earlier today, per "consensus". Had it not (by chance, I guess) come to the attention of Wolfowitz, it would still be a redirect now. This sort of thing used to drive me crazy. But now I'm gone. Just call me Chief. Dekkappai (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm gonna give a quick opinion without digging: Nurse Ratched has become part of popular culture and a dedicated page on the character is appropriate. Carrite (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And here's a little something-something for those who like their sourcing: HERE'S AN ARTICLE by the chairman of the English Dept. of Boise State University which delves into character analysis of Nurse Ratched and the good Mr. McMurphy. These are, in short, iconic characters of modern American fiction who have trickled from the high culture of Kesey's work to popular culture. Carrite (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Great notability - see Reflections of the Shadow, for example. Warden (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep obviously; no digging required. And common sense is prevailing with Randle McMurphy‎: 2 is no consensus. Occuli (talk) 00:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A highly notable character of literature and film culture. And Adoil Descended (talk) 01:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect: WP:INUNIVERSE-only treatment of fictional material. Can be recreated if WP:SECONDARY analysis providing a non-fictional perspective can be found. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 11:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Google Books link, above, confirms the obvious: this character has been covered sufficiently in reliable secondary sources to have independent notability. Jclemens (talk) 05:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Query. It's Louise Fletcher's birthday today. Wouldn't it be appropriate to snow close this now? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be more appropriate to AfD her article today? Looks pretty skimpy, sourcing-wise, for BLP to me... I heard Kesey wanted Jean Hackman to play her role anyway... Dekkappai (talk) 19:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * keep Clearly notable. Lives a vibrant symbolic life in modern discourse, as per above citations. Alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.