Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nyle Wolfe (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 18:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Nyle Wolfe
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NN singer, fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. While the AfD ten years ago closed with sentiments common at the time such as "Keep as stub simply needing more info," that info simply isn't out there. The sources in the article mention the subject only in passing, and lack the "significant coverage" WP:GNG requires, leading to the various "unsourced" tags that have been on it for years. G-News turns up only two hits, both from the same local paper, and both the typical "These guys are performing tonight" releases explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE as supporting notability. . Top G-hits include this article, his website, his YouTube page, his iTunes page, his MySpace page, his Spotify page, his Amazon page, his Allmusic page, his Reverbnation page, his Twitter feed, his last.fm page, and (amusingly) a link to singersforhire.com. The article was created by User:Aaronmawolfe, a SPA for whom this was his sole Wikipedia edit, and for which COI's an obvious conclusion to draw.   Ravenswing   07:55, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete as none of this suggests any better satisfying notability, nothing else convincing. SwisterTwister   talk  03:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Leaning to a "weak keep". This article needs drastic pruning. It's pretty obviously either an autobiography or written by someone very close to the subject. Much of the "information" in the early years section is not published anywhere else. However, note that he has a reasonably long entry in the Großes Sängerlexikon . He sang the lead role in a full length performance of The Pirates of Penzance which was broadcast on RTE and has sung principal roles in multiple performances at the Musiktheater im Revier reviewed in the German press (Die Tageszeitung,  Sonntags-Nachrichten, Deutschlandfunk ), e.g.,  and . He's also sung for Opera Ireland (which inexplicably doesn't have an article yet) with reviews in Opera here and here,
 * Update I have virtually stubbed the article (keeping the references). It was blatant copyvio from the subject's website. I'll add some of the references I've put here and then we'll see. But the career emerging isn't a frightfully significant one, I'm afraid. Voceditenore (talk) 18:09, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'd already seen those sources, and I was unimpressed enough to file the AfD. The problem is that those reviews are for the productions, and don't discuss Wolfe in significant detail ... and not really at all beyond "Yeah, this guy was in it too and did his bit," of the sort explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE as contributing towards notability.  I don't doubt the guy exists, and I don't doubt he's a performer, but we need reliable sources giving "significant coverage" to the subject, and not to operas in which he's sung.   Ravenswing   18:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – 1) It's long-standing practice that artists with articles in Grove are sufficiently notable for Wikipedia; this singer has an entry in Kutsch/Riemens, a similar reference work. 2) He has performed major roles on notable stages as requested by WP:MUSBIO #6. 3) His performances in world and national premieres should satisfy #10. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael Bednarek.4meter4 (talk) 02:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails WP:GNG, the sources given are not about him but about productions he was in and two are regional repots at that, and unlikely to pass WP:RS. Murry1975 (talk) 15:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Um..., how could a subject with an entry in a highly regarded German reference work on classical vocalists be considered not notable? If specialist encyclopedias cover a topic, than Wikipedia should too.4meter4 (talk) 14:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Omni Flames  ( talk   contribs ) 08:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete he is not notable enough. this wikipedia article is just some free advertising for him. Daniel Kenneth (talk) 08:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Searches find some reliable sources, so this should be kept. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 11:28, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep notable and sourced, with additional sources out there. DaltonCastle (talk) 23:35, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep (just) per Michael Bednarek now that worst excesses have been pruned. -- Smerus (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


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