Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/O'Neills of Puerto Rico


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 05:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

O'Neills of Puerto Rico
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Interesting family history, but hardly valid for an encyclopedia article. None of these O'Neills have been notable in their own right, and the sources are either blogs or genealogy sites, both of which fail WP:RS. We have Irish immigration to Puerto Rico; that should suffice. Biruitorul Talk 06:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC) *Delete Damn it is a nice article, too nice. It is a case of plagiarism. This article was pasted from here: Clan Abba Forums which has the following copyright: Copyright ©2000 - 2009. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  10:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note-- Article first nomination for deletion can be found here. --J.Mundo (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep A large number of sources which are neither blogs nor geneology sites are listed. Edward321 (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the "sources" list, six of those are archival sources and this violate WP:NOR if they were used. As for the others: well, they aren't cited, so we can't tell what was used where, but my hunch is that the user who put in that list (209.158.179.194) simply ripped it off somewhere - it's rather doubtful he actually went to Spain and Puerto Rico to do this research. And even if they do receive passing mention in certain works (like The Wild Geese, which I checked), there's no evidence the O'Neills of Puerto Rico as such have received scholarly attention - this is far more likely to be simply a genealogical project. - Biruitorul Talk 16:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:DIRECTORY and WP:COATRACK. Dahn (talk) 11:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: If I am reading that page correctly, the WP article came first - 3/14/08, whereas the forum posting appears to be dated 5/24/08. – ukexpat (talk) 19:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment, You are right, plus the author's name in the "Clan Abba Forum" is the same as the one of the User who created the Wiki article. Even so, the article does not provide inline citations as required by policy, which make it seem as if it is "original reseach". If not then the author should have no problem providing the citations. I mean the big question is where did he/she get all of this information? Tony the Marine (talk) 21:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I agree that it needs work, but that's not a reason to delete. I'll e-mail the creator if they have it enabled, and do some digging. – ukexpat (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I left the creator a message over at those forums. He seems more active there than here. – ukexpat (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, I believe in the good-faithed intentions of User:Ukexpat and that he together with the author will solve the inline citation problem. Tell the author to provide that inline citations even if he must cite his work from "Clan Abba Forums", because it would be a pity to delete such an interesting article. I have retracted my "delete" with the hope that he will fix matters. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The article may be interesting, but citing a forum would of course be violating WP:SPS (an official policy), so let's hope that's avoided. - Biruitorul Talk 02:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


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