Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OBD-II PIDs


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

OBD-II PIDs

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No claim to notability. Lacks references. Wikipedia is not a manual WP:NOTMANUAL. Wikipedia articles are not mere collections of public domain or other source material WP:NOTREPOSITORY. Prod removed "This page provides valuable information to an important community. There is no valid reason to delete it." Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * All of the data in that page is found in SAE J/1979 and ISO 15051-5. Some of the data may also be taken from SAE J2190, SAE J2205, SAE J1850.  I don't know how to add these references into the article.  None of the text is a transcription of that standard.  The source documents I've cited are not freely available in electronic format, rather they are copyrighted expensive references.  If this page can be copied to Wikisource, that's probably very good, because it would be shame to lose one of the internet's best comprehensive sources of OBD-II mode 1 PID information.  - 63.107.91.99 (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Duffbeerforme you are mis-using policy. For something to be a manual, it has to be instructional or tutorial.  A step-by-step guide to automotive repair, like Automobile Repair, is a manual.  A list of diagnostic codes and reference material about their meanings is no more a manual than the periodic table is a manual of chemistry.  Similarly, the policy restriction against source material prohibits copies of actual source documents.  It doesn't prohibit information because it is otherwise publicly available.  Indeed, our Verifiability policy requires that all information in Wikipedia be otherwise publicly available. Uncle G (talk) 21:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Collections of factual information of this sort are appropriate for an encyclopedia. DGG (talk) 04:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Question. How is this different from Table_of_LaTeX_symbols, which is snowballing towards deletion? VG &#x260E; 17:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I am the same user as 63.107.91.99 above. I concur that this is not a manual (there's no description, for instance, of how to use the results of these PIDs to fix a car.  It is not a copy of a source text, so it is not appropriate for inclusion in Wikisource either.  I will add references to the article citing the standards the information comes from, but the text is not a copy of anything.  - 66.92.73.52 (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep There is no other SINGLE place for this data I can find on the internet. OBD-II is legislated, so the "publicly available" is probably covered when the electrical code was mandated.  There are other SAE specs.  The J2534 spec is implemented and there was a court decision (drewtech v. something) that said such was available.  And in general, deleting a body of very useful information without replacement when it isn't contested is a bad idea.  Censorship - that is what it is = for what reason exactly?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tz1 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Please keep this information. There is no other singular source available, and it is NOT copyrighted material, rather it's public information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.159.19 (talk) 18:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


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