Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OE 36


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

OE 36

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Yachts aren't usually notable. This one has some references but i'm finding it hard to make up my mind. Considered speedy delete but decided against. Operating (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just about to drop a message asking for notability on the subject, Operating. We wound up conflicting, so obviously we're operating on the same wavelength.  The linked sites are foreign-language, making them of only limited use. --HubHikari (talk) 17:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Have decided i could have asked for speedy delete. The manufacturer of this boat doesn't have an article on WP. This begs the question why the OE 36 should be here? And why not the OE 32 or OE 53 or any other in the range? Operating (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So, according to your standards, please define which level of "notability" would be acceptable. Is the problem here that this is a Swedish yacht, rather than an English one? If so, please go ahead and delete the article straight away. Hakkasberra (talk) 17:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The nationality of the yacht isn't really the problem. It's a well-written article; the only problem is because of the foreign-language aspect, I don't know if anyone who doesn't know Swedish can tell what it is that's important about this particular yacht that separates it from the zillion others that are floating around out there.  As much as I'd like Wikipedia to be able to hold data on just about everything, it is bandwidth- and server-intensive, so notability guidelines do have to be set up and, unfortunately, enforced.  Please refer to the enWiki notability guidelines for more information.  --HubHikari (talk) 17:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No offense. I fully realise the issue here. As the OE 36 nevertheless is quite popular abroad, especially in Denmark and Germany, and as several OE 36 yachts currently are circumnavigating the globe, I took the opportunity to replace references with the English version of the OE Yacht Club web site instead, http://www.oeyc.org/index_e.html. As you did not notice this option, I suppose no-one else would have. Thanks for pointing this out.Hakkasberra (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * On the notability of the Olle Enderlein yachts in an international perspective, I suggest checking with Google: http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=olle+enderlein I end up with only 2 out of the first 30 hits being Swedish, the rest from Spain, Holland, New Zeeland, France, United Kingdom,... Hakkasberra (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Yachts aren't usually individually notable. But this is the name of a class of boat, produced for many years. The sources are sufficient for that, though it would probably be possible to find more. The reason for notability guidelines, btw, is not either server space or bandwidth. The cost of storage for an article is infinitesimal. The cost of bandwidth depends on use of the encyclopedia.  As it is, this discussion is probably using up more of both than the article--and the article will use the same space on the server ever if deleted.  We want use, and we want content. The reason for notability rules is to make it clear that its an encyclopedia, not an internet directory, etc etc. An individual article on every one of the 150 of the class that has ever been built would be a directory. that's not this article. DGG (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I was unaware going into this that OE 36 referenced a class of yachts. Thank you for the edification, good sir.  Keep.  --HubHikari (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable craft supported by reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability. Alansohn (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks, DGG and Alansohn. I took the opportunity to rewrite the text slightly, to ensure that the point comes through that this is a class of yachts. Also added some clarifying points in the references on the LYS handicap rating, which is similar to the one as used in golf. Operating, as you started all this, would you please be so kind to make up your mind and share your thoughts with us. Hakkasberra (talk) 18:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Judging from his talk page, it seems that Operating, who started all this mess with his deletion/speedy deletion of the OE 36 article, on the 1st of October was blocked from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Hakkasberra (talk) 08:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.