Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OK SWEETHEART


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 01:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

OK SWEETHEART

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An indie folk band from Oklahoma and Texas. Has one self-released album. Editor put about every reference on the web into the article. Unfortunately, almost all are not significant, reliable references. A couple of semi-reliable references in the article are: the Denton Texas newspaper has an interview with the lead singer and mentions two members of the band are from Denton. Bestnewbands.com is a semi-blog site that has them as their artist of the week in July. Bestnewbands officially launched in June of this year. The rest of the references are blogs, mention the band in passing or is not significant coverage. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Prod was contested. Bgwhite (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Bgwhite (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * CommentThere are links calling them a hot pick and singling them out for their participation in major music festival CMJ Music Marathon in The NY Post and others. I am counting 5 or more real newspapers in 5 different cities covering the band.  I also think that the band having won the annual John Lennon Songwriting Award for Pop should give them some notablity.  Furthermore, they are clearly a band with very real credentials considering their Management Group (Enrique Iglesias, Counting Crows, etc) and their tv licensing deals--songs on four different tv shows on four different major networks. --Waytagojoe (talk) 18:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * CommentPlease note WP:MUSIC where it says a topic is notable if it "has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself". "Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories."  The NY Post contains two sentences about the band,  CMJ is eight sentences.  I'm not sure if the John Lennon Songwriting Award is notable or not, but the band didn't win the award, a member did before the band had formed.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Keep. Just because something is called a "blog" doesn't necessarily disqualify it (see WP:NEWSBLOG): for example, Steve Lackmeyer is a professional staffer for The Oklahoman, and his writeup on the band on the paper's website  is a legitimate indicator of notability. Taking all the sources together, I think there's enough here to get this group over the hump.--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 16:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete The Denton Texas interview seems like one independent reliable source focused on the band, but WP:MUSIC requires multiple sources. If no other sources appear, then I say delete. The blog which User:Arxiloxos references just reprints a blurb from their presskit; it seems not to be independent coverage.   Blue Rasberry    (talk)   17:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 21:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is well sourced from reliable sources including newspaper and music magazine reviews which suggests it satisfies point 1 of WP:BAND. They also satisfy point 10 of WP:BAND in that their songs have featured on several notable works of major network television media. It's a borderline case but I think such cases deserve the benefit of the doubt. Polyamorph (talk) 21:56, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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