Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OM Association, Inc.


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The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

OM Association, Inc.

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 * Queried speedy delete. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral- I actually think the info should be moved to the Destination Imagination page    Juthani1    tcs 20:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, or "why I created it". Verifiable and Unoriginal [see footnotes and/or query challenges in Google]; Notable [near 200,000 kids plus parents and organizers in just 1998-1999 alone]; and for WP:NPOV, that's why I created it.  The key to understanding the need for this entry is Odyssey of the Mind's entry's seventh word, "OM", and the unsubstantiated parenthetical remark that follows it, and the sentence here that reads, "Odyssey of the Mind and OM Association, Inc. agreed to both abandon the use of the initials "OM" in a legal settlement."  I do hope to find a more suitable reference to the particular agreement than the Fresno article.  There are two very similar kids team creative problem solving organizations.  Why?  Because of a second bitter power struggle in 1999 (the first in 1985? did not lead to divorce: one party was "bought off") over control of the organization by one of the founding members.  Because neither organization is particularly interested having any reference to the other in their own wiki entries, there is sniping (there's probably an official wiki word for folks that remove referenced factual content for ideological reasons) at any attempt to provide a hint of the relationship.  In the program year 1998-1999 mentioned in this OM Association, Inc. entry, there were tens of thousands of kids that worked on EnvirOMental challenge, and a like number of kids that worked on the other five challenges mentioned in this article (for program size analysis, see http://users.wcvt.com/perkins/DIProgram.htm, by the State Director of the Vermont Odyssey of the Mind organization).  Without this OM Association, Inc. entry, the collective "history" disappears from wikipedia for the school year 1999-2000.  bokabu (talk) 15:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)  P.S. I tried moving the information to the DI page, but see this entry in the Talk:Destination ImagiNation page:
 * I recommended we claim all 25 years of challenges, and started a table (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Destination_ImagiNation&oldid=227144855). 204.16.16.126 recommended against it -- a polite way of saying they quietly deleted the table.  Can we talk about it?  I coached an EnvirOMental Challenge team, and it's odd that year in particular is nowhere to be found.  Bokabu (talk) 03:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:CORP. No independent refs to support any notability. One ref that looked ok was an obit for George Washington.  Gtstricky Talk or C 16:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect – to Destination ImagiNation For the life of me, I cannot understand why this article is at an AFD. Both articles explain the merge of the two organizations.  Both are referenced regarding the merge of the two organizations.  So let us Merge the pertained information into Destination ImagiNation and redirect OM Association, Inc..  Thanks ShoesssS Talk 18:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete: I also recommend deletion or correction of the facts. This article aims to make fact that OM Association is the original creator and intellectual force behind Odyssey of the Mind. It further tries to describe that the "OLD" odyssey of the mind program is supporting Destination Imagination. This article would be valid if it mentions the history of OM Association, including that Sam Micklus the founder of Olympics of the Mind was part of Creative Competitions. At the end of the day, the Micklus family is the soul of Odyssey of the Mind, and has been since 1977. I recommend you either delete this article or post heavy revisions giving factual credit where credit is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.136.70 (talk) 00:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge Worth including, but not as stand alone article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree with your thoughts with regards to the formation and history, that they should be part of the article. Care to give a hand in researching and writing, which include supportable - verifiable references, that supports this aspect? Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 01:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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