Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakbrook Mall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete and redirect to Oakbrook Center. There is a very strong consensus, with no convincing evidence presented to the contrary, that this mall is a hoax and does not exist. Equally, it is clearly a plausible search term for the mall of a similar name that actually does exist. ~ mazca  talk 20:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Oakbrook Mall

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I can't seem to find any evidence that this particular mall exists. The article is unsourced and doesn't state a location aside from Oak County and Oakbrook Township, neither of which seem to be a county or a township anywhere, and a few ambiguous streets. A Google search for Oakbrook Mall Annlyn Properties turns up nothing (just searching Oakbrook Mall turns up too many results for Oakbrook Center); for that matter, the supposed owner of the mall, Annlyn Properties, doesn't seem to exist either, since Google again turns up nothing relevant. Even if this isn't a hoax, which it probably is, the utter lack of sources makes this non-notable. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. The tell-tale clue is that no state is specified. US Routes 27 and 44 do not intersect. I considered the possibility of either one being a state route, but there is no Oak County in any state in the US. Finally, the possibility of this mall being outside the US is almost nil, when looking at the list of alleged anchor stores. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also nominating:
 * which were created by the same person. And consider these edits. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, this definitely appears to be a hoax; thanks for catching that, Blanchardb. Delete the other two as well. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * which were created by the same person. And consider these edits. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, this definitely appears to be a hoax; thanks for catching that, Blanchardb. Delete the other two as well. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all per above. It seems not even the place it is supposedly in exists - there is no county called "Oak County" anywhere in the world as far as I can tell. The closest in the united states is Live Oak County, Texas, which contains no places called "Oakbrook". Oakbrook, Kentucky is a Census Designated Place in Boone County, Kentucky that contains no malls. Oak Brook, Illinois is the home of the Oakbrook Center, a different (and undoubtedly notable) shopping centre. Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  —Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions.  —Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete It appears that this is one of several such creations .  See also The Mall at Oakpark and The Lexington Mall.  There really was a Lexington Mall, but it was in Lexington, KY, rather than in "Lexington Township" (no state).  The Ledgewood Mall is legit, but the rest of this is bizarre.  Or should I say bazaar? Mandsford (talk) 12:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete What's more, Mandsford, Kentucky doesn't even have townships! Even if we see these just as error-filled articles about real places, we can't find the place: The Mall at Oakpark is located along 21 at Lexington, and Kentucky Route 21 isn't too far from Lexington, but I can't find an intersection with a Lexington Avenue anywhere along its route.  "Lexington Parkway", meanwhile, is too broad of a name for there to be any chance of finding it in a Google maps search.  Add in the "Oak County", and it's impossible that this is real.  Nyttend (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. Edward321 (talk) 23:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Rescue: I noticed that this article does not appear to specify what state this is located in. There are quite a lot of places called "Oakbrook." I'm sure this place does exist. This article was created by someone who has somewhere between 100 and 250 edits, mostly of articles about various malls. It appears s/he created this one in good faith. This apparently is a mall with some big-name department stores. Most malls fitting such a description are indeed notable. Perhaps s/he got the name of it even slightly wrong, thereby leading a Google search to turning up nothing. If someone could at least provide some info on what state this is in, I could either improve it myself to meet Wikipedia's inclusion standards or provide others with the information needed to do so. Sebwite (talk) 01:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you consider these edits by the same person to have been made in good faith? I would say this is a good editor who's had a bad day and started mixing his fantasy world with the real world. This user made no edits since this AfD nomination. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I created the Oakbrook dab page following my attempts to find where this mall supposedly is - note that all of the following facts together show how we cannot work out where this mall is -
 * most of the places named "Oakbrook" do not have Wikipedia articles - which for places in the United States generally means they are very small (in area or population) places that are exceedingly unlikely to have a mall with such big name stores. Furhtermore I cannot find evidence of google for malls located in them.
 * Of the three places that do have Wikipedia articles, as detailed above
 * Oakbrook, Kentucky has no malls.
 * Oak Brook, Illinois has a very notable mall, the Oakbrook Center that patently isn't this mall.
 * I can't find any evidence of malls in Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois as it is served by the Oakbrook Center.
 * None of the rest of the entries on the Oakbrook dab page are places, mainly they're middle and elementary schools.
 * Other editors above have shown that there are no Twonships in Kentucky, so it cannot be in that state,
 * Township (United States) further shows that it cannot be in New England, Tennesee or several other states.
 * I have not been able to find evidence that Oak County exists anywhere in the world; Live Oak County, Texas is closest in the United States, but it contains no places or malls by the name of "Oakbrook" or "Oak Brook"
 * The intersections of numbered and named roads the mall is supposedly at have been shown by other editors not to exist
 * shows there was an "Oakbrook Mall" in southeast Fort Worth, Texas. Other google hits for this mall show that it was regarded as a long-term rotting eye-sore in 2005 and thus patently not the mall in this article.
 * Two google results briefly mention an "Oakbrook Mall" in Omaha, Nebraska but further investigation shows that this is actually called Oak View Mall.
 * Every other hit down to page 8 of this search turns out to be about the Oakbrook Center.
 * In summary therefore, if the article creator made a mistake, they mistakes in such basic facts as the name of the mall, the name of the streets it's on, the name of the settlement it is in and the name of the county it is in. Given that, how can we be sure that they didn't make mistakes in the rest of the information? Even if we could trust the information was accurate, WP:RS requires us to be able to verify everything in independent, reliable, secondary sources and I have just proved we cannot verify it in any sources, let alone reliable ones. All this combined with the telling edits linked by Blanchardb mean that as far as I am concerned at least this is 100% haox. Thryduulf (talk) 07:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I just discovered an article called Oakbrook Center, which is in Oakbrook, Illinois. This very much seems to match. If this is the case, then this article should be Speedy merged into that. Sebwite (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually if you read the articles they don't match -
 * {|class =wikitable

!||Oakbrook Mall||Oakbroook Center
 * Opening date||1971||1962
 * Number of anchor tennants||5||6
 * Location||Township of Oakbrook, Oak County, [state unknown]||Oak Brook, Illinois
 * Restraunts||3||27
 * Management||Annlyn properties||General Growth Properties
 * Gross leasable area||1,500,000 ft² || 	2,018,000 ft²
 * }
 * Oh, and none of these facts about Oakbrook Mall are verifiable, but every single one about Oakbrook Center is. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Management||Annlyn properties||General Growth Properties
 * Gross leasable area||1,500,000 ft² || 	2,018,000 ft²
 * }
 * Oh, and none of these facts about Oakbrook Mall are verifiable, but every single one about Oakbrook Center is. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * }
 * Oh, and none of these facts about Oakbrook Mall are verifiable, but every single one about Oakbrook Center is. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and none of these facts about Oakbrook Mall are verifiable, but every single one about Oakbrook Center is. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as hoax, it's impossible to assume that this was created in error, because of the many differences between this and the Center. However, Oakbrook Mall is a possible search term for Oakbrook Center, so after the history is purged by way of deletion, a redirect page can be created. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the redirect after deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So do I. Looks like something that would be a common mistake. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 22:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As do I, as nominator. It's definitely a possible search term. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 22:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete as unverifiable and probable hoax. A redirect from Oakbrook mall is not a bad idea at all.  Eluchil404 (talk) 05:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.