Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oana Botez


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The result was   keep. Ged UK  13:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Oana Botez

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The sources for this one can be divided into three categories:


 * Passing mentions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34


 * Cast lists: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 6, 7, 8


 * Publicity blurbs written by, respectively, an employer and two organizations that gave the subject money: 1, 2, 3

In other words, there is zero indication that this individual has "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject", as required by WP:BASIC, or that any other biographical notability criteria are met. Hence, we should delete. - Biruitorul Talk 00:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Biruitorul, I think you missed some more substantive articles. I ran a news search, and came up with "Oana Botez’s fun, attractive paisley-patterned costumes..." Bston Globe, "Changing Oana Botez's smart and colorful costumes in the blink of an eye as they ..." Huff Post , NYTimes "The shipwrecked elder royals (richly dressed by Oana Botez..." NYTimes She gets press, What Designers Across the Country Are Looking Forward To This Season  Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep WP:BASIC tells "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability", and we do have multiple reliable sources speaking toward her costume works in a more-than-trivial manner even if not substantively. They've taken note. We can too.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 12:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The very same guideline goes on to say: "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability". Now, I've pulled out the mentions from the New York Times (for brevity, and because it's the most prominent newspaper among all those quoted) so we can see just what we're talking about:
 * sly costuming (courtesy of Oana Botez)
 * The coolly urbane costumes (by Oana Botez-Ban) mix natty suits and woven tunics, with a few deft, outré touches.
 * Oana Botez-Ban’s costumes for the shipwrecked Italians are glossy period suits, complete with ruffs, while Prospero and Miranda wear simple, wheat-colored linens.
 * a costume by Oana Botez that speaks the postmodern language of space alien couture
 * Oana Botez, the costume designer, has a flair for mixing paisley patterns; her backless jumpsuits for the women are divine.
 * richly dressed by Oana Botez
 * Oana Botez, the costume designer, dresses the Greeks in summer suits and the Amazons in cocktail attire, though Penthesilea’s black leather trousers might be too sporty for some soirees.
 * Oana Botez-Ban designed the handsome costumes.
 * the dancers wore sculptural layers of purple by Oana Botez-Ban.... Ms. Botez-Ban’s colorful cloaks
 * Oana Botez-Ban’s crinkled metallic-green costumes — each cinched at the waist by a black corset
 * Oana Botez-Ban’s gorgeous, voluminous and strange formalwear
 * the spot-on costumes, by Oana Botez, evoke the styles of the late 1970s — halter tops and flared-leg, high-waisted pants
 * That strikes me as archetypally trivial&mdash;essentially a name and an adjective/adverb or two. We need non-trivial coverage; we need some kind of substantive mention, and we have yet to see it. - Biruitorul Talk 14:18, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I need to disagree, specially as the guideline you quote specifically instructs that while a substantial mention is nice, substantial coverage is NOT a guideline requirement. That her work as a costume designer has received specific mention and note in multiple reliable sources makes it slightly more-than-trivial than you might declare, no matter what anyone might personally feel about costume designer as a career. Thanks though.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 14:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course, that's a blatant red herring, since I never commented on the career of costume designer. For instance, I doubt anyone would claim Edith Head isn't notable &mdash; after all, entire books are devoted to her.
 * But back to the main issue. Substantial depth of coverage isn't necessary, but "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability". There's substantial depth, there's trivia, and there's an in-between. Mentions of this individual all fall squarely into the trivial. - Biruitorul Talk 15:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you did not state that being a costume designer was inherently non-notable, but we are not discussing the notable Edith Head... nor the notable Marilyn Vance. I appreciate you finally agreeing that "substantial depth of coverage isn't necessary" even after contrarily asserting a few times earlier above that "we needed" it. Apart from the verifiability of her body of work to meet WP:CREATIVE, I again stand behind my opinion, that her work has itself drawn the attention of reliable sources (albeit briefly) in a more-than-trivial manner. More, within her field she has received recognition by her peers by being nominated for The Henry Hewes Design Awards and winning The Barrymore Award and Drammy Award to meet WP:ANYBIO. I realize I should have probably led with that far better reason to keep.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 18:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep We need sources to write an encyclopedic article about the subject, which meets our major content policies. Since all content in this article can be verified by reliable sources, and it reflects a neutral point of view, I see no point in deleting it.--Antigng (talk) 15:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Terrible, terribe article, reads like self-promotion. However, there is this Award, there are several awards,  and write-ups by lots of reputable theaters.  Moreover, some of the press coverage is more than just cursory , here the NYTimes  writes "Oana Botez, the costume designer, has a flair for mixing paisley patterns; her backless jumpsuits for the women are divine."E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
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