Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oasis Church (Los Angeles)


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Oasis Church (Los Angeles)

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Fails WP:NCHURCH. Can't see what makes it notable.  scope_creep Talk  17:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep. It appears notable as a mega-church, although I am not sure if "3,000 members" is very much over the threshold for that term to apply.  If that means there are about 3,000 persons attending the church each week then that would definitely qualify (the Wikipedia article List of megachurches in the United States defines itself to cover just "the largest megachurches in the United States with an attendance of more than 2,000 weekly.") Its Hollywood connections help for its notability.  NYT article cited is about "Los Angeles Churches [which] Make Worship...Hip?", in which it is mentioned as an example and Hollywood connections given.  I am not saying this NYT article is extensive coverage, but it indicates some general notability of the place.  Also it is located in a distinctive-looking-to-me cathedral building in Koreatown (I mainly write about historic places, and based on photo would think the building would be notable, though under what former name it would have been covered is not clear).  There must exist past history information about the cathedral building, anyhow, which can be covered in the article. --Doncram (talk) 00:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: One of the hits from Google Scholar search set up above is this, which is "Chapter 15: Korean Megachurches in the Greater Los Angeles Area" by Sung Gun Kim, within 2021-published "Religion in Los Angeles" book. It would be covered in pages 207-210 which are (randomly?) excluded from my view.  The blurb I can see is "Multiethnic churches such as Newsong Church in Irvine, Oasis Church in Hollywood, and Seed Church in the new Orange County Koreatown...." Can anyone else read it?  It would seem to support idea this is indeed a mega-church and notable. --Doncram (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is one of three churches studied in a 2014 Ph.D. dissertation Presents of God: The Marketing of the American Prosperity Gospel by Susie Butler, at University of Pittsburgh:"Prosperity Theology is a fast-growing Protestant movement rooted in Pentecostalism, which teaches that faithfulness to God ensures health and wealth in this lifetime. This study analyzes how it is marketed at Oasis Church in Hollywood, California, Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, and Victory Family Church in Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania. The dissertation examines how these churches market Prosperity Theology online and offline to determine...."
 * This is one more hit in the Google Scholar search; I will stop here for now. I think this is demonstrating coverage/notability. Prosperity theology is a Wikipedia article, which does not currently mention any one of these three examples as far as i can tell. Lakewood Church has a big article. "Victory Family Church" of Pennsylvania seems not to have an article, but there is another "Victory Family Church" of Norman, Oklahoma which is mentioned in List of megachurches affiliated with the Assemblies of God. --Doncram (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - This church is in fact a listed historic landmark by the Los Angeles Conservancy. KPCC termed the building "iconic." Oakshade (talk) 21:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- The fact that this church is one of three covered in a doctoral thesis places it beyond the ordinary. I am not sure that 3000 is sufficient for a mega-church, but that is not the primary issue.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Oakshade the church buildings seem to be notable for their history and architecture, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


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