Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oast Theatre, Tonbridge


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The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (t) (c) 02:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oast Theatre, Tonbridge

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I removed a bunch of copyvio from this a while back, but the fact remains that there seems to be no substantive, independent coverage of this building or the organization that performs there. Google News and Google Books turn up none; and although I haven't plowed through every Google Web link, I'm not seeing anything beyond the usual directory listings, local announcements of performances, and such. This appears not to meet the requirements of WP:N. Deor (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, I believe I have addressed the issues in the nom. Theatre is notable as one of only two converted from oasts, and fairly long history as an independent provincial theatre run by a charity. Mjroots (talk) 06:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Wikiprojects notified Mjroots (talk)
 * I have no desire to gainsay Mjroots's opinion; but lest it be thought that I failed to do my homework, my analysis of the sources currently in the article is that ref 1 is not independent ("Our current buildings [sic] status is a joy to us all ...") and refs 3–6 do not contain "significant coverage" per the GNG. I haven't access at the moment to the work cited in ref 2. Deor (talk) 13:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Deor, you've nominated the article in good faith, I've attempted to improve it as best I can with the limited info on the net. The theatre has received extensive coverage over the years in the Kent and Sussex Courier, but that is going to take time to research. It may have received coverage in local history books about Tonbridge too. Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How is uk.castingcallpro.com not independent of the Oast Theatre? It covers all theatres across the UK, and the actors and actresses that work them. Mjroots (talk) 18:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The text on the Oast Theatre page at that site, which is what you cited as a ref, certainly appears to have been supplied by the theatre group itself, as indicated by the use of the first-person plural (as I quoted in my comment above). Deor (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, seem to have been culled from the Theatre's own website. Whilst third-party sources are preferred, sometimes it is necessary to use first-party sources in the absence of these. I could expand the article from the theatre's own website, but that wouldn't address your nomination reason, would it? Mjroots (talk) 09:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Hildenborough, possibly the entertainment and dining section . There's no doubt this is a local landmark, but I can't find any evidence of notability beyond local interest. We could probably sum up all of the encyclopaedic bits in one or two paragraphs. If this theatre regularly receives professional productions, however, I will change to Keep. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why Hildenborough? The theatre has a TN10 3xx postcode (Tonbridge), not a TN11 9xx postcode (Hildenborough). Mjroots (talk) 09:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, looks like you were misled by incorrect info in the lede, now corrected. Mjroots (talk) 09:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll take your word for it, merge and redirect to Tonbridge, Kent Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, primarily on grounds of the extraordinary preservation of an historic type of building. — Robert Greer (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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