Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obadiah Poundage


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Porter (beer). Guerillero Parlez Moi 17:58, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Obadiah Poundage

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Does not seem to warrant an article, per WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E. Still, his (one) letter is cited in a number of popular histories of brewing in reference to the impact of beer taxes (and Goose Island Brewery apparently named a beer in his 'honour') so I'm a bit on the fence about this one. Ploni (talk) 02:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, United Kingdom,  and England. Ploni (talk) 02:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think setting it up as a biography of a brewer is a mistake, and that's what makes it appear to have dubious notability. It's not the brewer who is notable, it is the letter he wrote under the name of Obadiah Poundage. We don't actually know who the brewer was. The letter has notability, it is written about in reliable sources, and it is known by the name Obadiah Poundage. Article needs refocusing, expanding and more sources, but the topic is notable enough to be a standalone article. SilkTork (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Relist to consider a possible merger...what would the target be? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a merge to, say, Porter (beer) would be best? This definitely belongs somewhere on Wikipedia – it's mentioned in quite a few reliable sources – so I'd oppose outright deletion. But that doesn't mean that a stand-alone page is necessarily the best option, and here I'm not sure it is. WP:NOPAGE lists a few factors to guide our "editorial judgment" on these types of questions; they include the available sourcing and the need for context. Sourcing is fairly limited (lots of brief mentions, but little in-depth coverage). And this letter is mainly a piece of evidence in a broader narrative about the history of porter, so including it in the main article (where the whole narrative can be discussed) would provide useful context for the reader, in my view. Not opposed to a keep (though if kept, the article should probably be moved to Obadiah Poundage letter to get around the BIO1E issue), but I think a merge might be preferable. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep and move to Obadiah Poundage Letter. Seems an elegant enough solution, to me. If more context were added, 'twere well done... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Porter (beer). Most of the article reproduces the letter, which is inappropriate (WP:NOTREPOSITORY). The remaining information would fit well in the article about porter; per WP:SS subarticles should be spun out only if they are long enough, which is not the case here if we omit the letter.  Sandstein   06:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or ATD Merge to Porter (beer) per as Obadiah Poundage letter. This is a one sourced letter and not a biography. Fails GNG: A topic is to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received  in  that are.  --  Otr500 (talk) 12:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.