Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obersturmführerin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE. There appears to have been no evidence of verifiability offered to assuage the concerns. -Splash talk 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Obersturmführerin
This article is nominated for deletion as I believe there was no such female rank in the SS. Females were not permitted to join the SS or hold regular SS ranks. Such female members were known collectively as "SS-Helferin". I have never heard of an SS rank known by this name nor have seen it liste din any publication or work about the SS. Husnock 05:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Take a look at the Margot Dreschel article; there seems to be a decent chance that this is real and verifiable. --Clay Collier 11:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed the titles from the article as ambiguious and unverifable. I also have a scan of an actual SS-Female Auxiliary record which I will add to the talk page of Helferin as soon as I make the article.  In the record, there is no mention at all of these strange other ranks.  The ranks, themselves, looks like someone just added "in" to the end of exsting male SS ranks.  I am very suspicious that these ranks do not in fact exist. -Husnock 18:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Margot Dreschel article does reference this word, however this was added to the article by the same IP that created the Obersturmführerin article; not exactly compelling evidence. Googling the term turns up several mirrors of this wiki article and the Margot Dreschel wiki article. It also produces a number of references to the term on German language sites (big surprise eh)?  My German isn't the greatest, but it doesn't appear that the sites referencing this word in German are even remotely related to the SS or Nazis... though the references could be to Nazism as the context may be understood by the writer and the intended audience. Google translates Obersturmführerin as "Upper tower guide" thoug I think literally it would translate to "over storm leader".  Point is that so far this isn't remotely verifiable and unless someone can provide a solid source for the claim that this is a female rank in the SS, I will say delete.  On a side note, it appears that women were only allowed in the SS Auxillary ranks (as Husnock stated).--Isotope23 16:20, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Ranks and insignia of the Schutzstaffel if it can be verified, else delete Jesse 18:28, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless its existence is reliably verified. Pavel Vozenilek 00:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable. Google search finds little but Wikipedia mirrors. Andrew pmk | Talk 00:29, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified. -Sean Curtin 05:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain can we have someone from de:wiki take a look at this.Klonimus 09:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.