Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obinna Onyebuchi Muoma


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is firm consensus here that this page is not suitable for the mainspace. I could draftify it again, but given that the creator has edit-warred over moving it to mainspace, I am not going to refund this unless and until the creator undertakes to work on it in draftspace only. It can be moved to mainspace by someone else if and when it passes AfC. Vanamonde (talk) 16:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Obinna Onyebuchi Muoma

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Non-notable producer. Can't find any actual reliable sources to support the claims here and i'm not even sure that the awards are notable. Possibly WP:TOOSOON CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  22:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologize for any inconveniences, the first time I tried to write Wikipedia, I was hundred and bullied, I ran away since because I felt that was very mean to me. I came back just last month,though I have been reading comments,correcting small issues. However, this article was given to me by a new editor who just registered.That been said, the Nollywood industry is multifaceted there kaniwood,Yoruba Nollywood,Igbo Nollywood and even Ghana Nollywood. The young man in question has really created a niche for himself, in an industry that is dominated by older generation. He has not just been a producer, but has created platform for young people. It is important I explain these things.   However, I'm still asking for direction as regards to the article, if you know how to make it better to be published do let me know thank you. 13th September 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabregado (talk • contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Draftify This article is going through the AfC process and clearly still has a ways to go. signed, Rosguill talk 03:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - The principal author of this page moved it into article space when it was not ready for article space. I agree with Rosguill that draft space is a better place, and with Chrissymad that the case for notability has not been made.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My response: I have been asking for help since last month on what next to do, it was moved straight to draft as soon as I uploaded it. So I started editing it by removing a lot of things that were included. Up till now I'm still willing to modify whatever you want to be modified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabregado (talk • contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Question - For an admin, if we Draftify, and this page is moved to article space again without review by a reviewer, does that mean that we have to AFD it all over again, or does that mean that the principal author can be blocked for disruptive moving, or what? We are here because there was already one non-consensus move to article space.  Therefore:
 * Draftify as an alternative to deletion, with the understanding that either Delete or Block are available if there is move-warring. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I oppose draftifying it. Draft space isn't an incubator for unsourced, spammy, non-notable autobiographies. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  13:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My response: It will interest me that you point out all the errors there in. I'm not unteachable or rigid. If you will point out the corrections I will gladly follow it through that's what I have been asking for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabregado (talk • contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - I do not want to argue over whether to delete or to draftify. My primary concern is to remove it from article space, for which it is not ready.  I do not know whether it will ever be ready for article space.  My guess is that it never will.  The question is whether to give the author a chance, or to delete it now.  I had not been seeing it as an autobiography.  Is it an autobiography?  Do we know that, or are we guessing?  I will comment that the author moved it into article space without waiting for a reviewer.  User:Rosguill - Do you think that it will be ready to be an article?  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:32, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that there are some indications that the subject is a notable figure within Nollywood and thus could possibly be improved to comply with GNG, and I don't think there's any evidence of autobiography. Moreover, based on edit summaries, Fabregado appeared to be moving to article space in good faith, even if we deem their judgment of the article's quality to have been incorrect. Per WP:BITE it seems a bit harsh to nominate for deletion at this time. signed, Rosguill talk 20:42, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on what sources? BITE doesn't apply here. The creator has been given plenty of guidance and warnings prior to this AFD. Winning non-notable awards doesn't help notability. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  21:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am generally hesitant to vote for deletion when a lack of notability could be a consequence of systemic bias. Additionally, looking at Fabregado's talk page, I see lots of warnings (for other articles) and not much guidance, plus a clear misunderstanding on their part of how to send messages in a way that their desired recipients will read them, which leads me to believe that moving the article from draft was likely due to not understanding (or having read) WP:GNG. If they were to do this again after this AfD, I would consider their benefit of the doubt to have expired, but we're not there yet IMO. However, the more I review this article the less I believe that there is any possibility of notability. signed, Rosguill talk 21:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have for at least a year had mostly negative thoughts about the BITE - the guideline not to bite the newcomers. This discussion is a new reason why I don't like it.  My basic problem with WP:BITE is that it is a guideline, but has been elevated to the status of a commandment, superseding not only guidelines but policies.  I have seen editors tie themselves in knots in dealing with problematic new editors in order to avoid being bitey.  This discussion identifies another problem, which is that it is being applied to the wrong subject.  The guideline, or commandment, was only ever meant to apply to editors.  Here it is being applied to an article.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and quality of the encyclopedia should be foremost, because the purpose of behavioral policies and guidelines is to maintain a workplace in which the quality of the encyclopedia is upheld.  If a page does not belong in article space, it should not be left in article space only because an editor is acting in good faith but is mistaken (as to notability or whatever).  What should have been done instead of nominating the article for deletion?  It could have been unilaterally draftified, but, since it had just been promoted by the author, that would have been move-warring.  If it fails notability, it fails notability, and the good-faith of its author does not make it notable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So let's discuss notability considerations, not whether to be nice to a new editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * So what exactly do we need to know about the person in question?   Notability in Nigeria is very subjective, it is a polarized place where people place premium on different issues. What maybe notable to you from the north may not for me from the East. That aside,I think we need to understand that the person in question has done more than I have written. He may not be widely popular because he is not on the screen, but he has really done so much not just for himself but the society at large, at his age and background . He is an inspiration to many people around here.    But that's not the point. The point is,I need to know the exact problem so that I will correct it immediately.    Please don't be hard on me,I'm still learning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabregado (talk • contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you read through Wikipedia's general notability guideline, as well as Wikipedia's subject-specific notability guideline for biographies of creative professionals to get an idea of how notability is determined. The issue isn't so much that there is contentious information in the article that needs to be removed, rather the article's subject does not appear to pass the criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. We need more citations to in-depth coverage at reliable secondary sources unaffiliated with the subject. Currently, the article cites an interview (generally not used to justify notability due to its reliance on content provided by the subject), a stub listing of the subject's career profile (not independent, not a secondary source), some YouTube links (not secondary sources, probably not independent, don't provide in-depth coverage of the subject), and an award announcement for an award that doesn't appear to pass the notability guideline itself (not in-depth coverage, possibly not independent). signed, Rosguill talk 17:38, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet the notability guidelines. I am considering here that there are many reliable news sources in Nigeria, and none of them have reported on this subject. Any notable subject will have been reported on by local sources. This is not a notable subject. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:54, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Film, as well as cinematographers and film editors, rarely get significant coverage, unless they have a substantial number of notable productions to their credit, and then often because one or several of their films have won national level awards. Here we have a WP:UPE (permalink) bio of a person with no notable films to his credit, and the prize received is from the local chapter of the Actors Guild of Nigeria; fails WP:ANYBIO as well as WP:BASIC/WP:GNG.   In regards to draftification: technically this article has only been in main space once, namely this time, and therefore technically it could have been moved to draft space unilaterally. However, since article creator's two first moves of the page showed clear  of publishing the article, and since the third move must be regarded as a very active objection to draftification, it is well within the spirit of WP:DRAFTIFY when Crissy nominates this for AFD, cf. Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to moving the page, and to have the matter discussed at WP:AfD. WP:BITE is not relevant here. Sam Sailor 08:14, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


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