Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obsidian (1986 video game)


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The result was   Keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Whpq (talk) 14:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Obsidian (1986 video game)
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Questionable notability, doesn't seem to be a lot of reliable sources on it.


 * Per the sources and expansion found by Someone I think this can be withdrawn. Google still has a long way to go in topics pre Internet as they have with non Anglo coverage so the fact that this game was reviewed in notable magazines of that period is sufficient. COuld still use more sources though..♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - First, Ive noticed a technical error - it came out in 1996, not 1986. That's the problem with no references. However, I strongly believe they are out there: - Proof game is still sold (14 years later is a bit impressive),  - review,  - review, - Review (but having problem accessing at work),  - review,  - interesting analysis on its commercial campaign, indicating 3 Clio awards wins and "a permanent feature on the New York Museum of Modern Art".  This can be proven here  - search on 1997 with keyword obsidian - they did win three times for their marketing.  Article can grow a ton - especially when you include their award winning marketing campaign. I am pretty confident notability is now established. Turlo Lomon (talk) 20:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC) Striking commentary because it is for a different game as stated below. (However, adding notes to other pages talk page,as there is plenty that can be added to existing) Turlo Lomon (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, no, that's a completely different game. Someoneanother 20:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there more than one game with the same name? If so please cite reliable sources and demonstrate that these are actually notable games by adding to them. It would seem Turlo s referring to Obsidian (video game) a 1996 game by Segasoft whose notability I am not questioning. Google Obsidian 1986 and the sources that turn up are exceedingly poor, so this is a valid nom.. Maybe this is because it was pre-Internet when released so sources may be in magazines.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The game was reviewed in both Amtix and Amstrad Action, which scraped notability in terms of multiple reliable sources, I'll see if I can find one of the mags scanned online. Someoneanother 20:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact there are two reviews in Amtix, an original release and another when the game was published on budget label Americana, so there are at least 3 magazine sources out there. I don't believe Amtix has been scanned onto the net, but the complete set of Amstrad Actions have been and I've located and used their review to expand the article. Someoneanother 22:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did manage to get hold of both issues of Amtix! after all that, they're now cited and the article has gone from a sentence or two to a decent start-class article. I would suggest withdrawing this AFD and would also ask anyone with misgivings about an article on an old videogame to consider flagging it up at the videogame project before AFD, we know our stuff. Someoneanother 02:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions.  Reach Out to the Truth 12:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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