Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oceanic (scuba gear makers)


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The result was   Keep Gnangarra 12:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oceanic (scuba gear makers)

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 * Was speedy-deleted, but Oceanic is an important scuba gear makers. And they developed several models of modern rebreather, and the Data Mask, which is an eyes-and-nose diving mask with a built-in LED display which displays various dive and breathing set conditions. It is noteworthy to scuba divers. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete was speedy deleted over a year ago according to the logs. Was there a deletion review to bring it back? The article at the moment looks like an advert. It contains no reliable 3rd party sources. The "data mask" mentioned appears to be a single product as opposed to an innovation in dive technology (at least according to the google search I did - "data mask" diving). Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * An LED display in a diving mask looks quite like a significant underwater technology advance to me. The rebreather development is significant also. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * but "The Data Mask" is a product and is being advertised as such in the article. And you still aren't addressing the resurrection of the article or what makes the company notable and reliably sourced to 3rd parties. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nearly everything man-made that comes into the world is a product. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They seem to have been fairly important in the history of modern rebreathers including US Navy naval rebreathers. Frogman's rebreathers and the men that use them in action are at least as relevant to the world as any one of the thousands of minor popular music musicians and their songs and albums that clutter Wikipedia. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, OK, I have evacuated the Data Mask info to Diving mask and the rebreather info to Rebreather. But I thought that one of USA's big scuba gear suppliers deserved some brief mention, if only to satisfy people who come across the name Oceanic in conection with scuba gear and look in Wikipedia to find who or what the name refers to. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 *  Weak Keep - This could be expanded. The stuff on rebreathers for the military could well be notable also this bit about mask with built in display sounds notable if it were one of the first to be developed for sport dive market. (also, I've made some edits to make it less like an advert) Nk.sheridan     Talk  23:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The HUD mask is covered by third party sources as being the first mask of this type for non-military market. Nk.sheridan     Talk  23:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment have changed to a Weak Delete based on the recent changes by Anthony Appleyard and the comments by User:Nk.sheridan. I'm still worried about the very short supply of 3rd party reliable sources showing the company as notable and some of the language. If the article was expanded using reliable 3rd party sourcing and the issue of its resurrection could be addressed I may swing more towards keep. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 21:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.