Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ocer Campion Jesuit College (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Jesuit educational institutions. The keeps are outnumbered and outweighed in terms of policy; as editors correctly point out that existence is not sufficient for this to be kept; and the rest of the discussion shows a clear consensus that the existing sources are not enough to meet GNG. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Ocer Campion Jesuit College
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Advertising. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. The Banner talk 10:32, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Uganda-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Giving another seven days to be further reviewed for consensus to be established.
 * Keep The Observer (Uganda) lists the school as the top school by results in Gulu and the 46th top school in Uganda this have added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So now it has 9 sources to prove that it exists. But its notability is still unclear. The Banner  talk 13:53, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the additional references added to the article that shows notability particularly regarding the school results, imv, Atlantic306 (talk) 02:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep it is an educational establishment. Ode+Joy (talk) 23:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Already in 2017 it was decided that schools have to prove their notability, not their existence, by this RFC. The Banner  talk 08:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep there are many sources in the article and secondary schools and higher are usually kept. LashandaWilhelm (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Already in 2017 it was decided that schools have to prove their notability, not their existence, by this RFC. The Banner  talk 08:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The article references show notability, especially school outcomes. Zgz.or (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 13:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- We used to regard all Secondary Schools as notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Already in 2017 it was decided that schools have to prove their notability, not their existence, by this RFC. The Banner  talk 18:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Schools aren't inherently notable. This one fails GNG, and also fails WP:NORG. Just because it exists doesn't make it notable. Notability needs to be demonstrated, and it hasn't been. ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  17:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Jesuit educational institutions as a reasonable alternative to deletion. The sources available (both in the article and elsewhere) do not provide significant coverage, consisting only of trivial mentions. The keep !votes don't strike me as very convincing: existence does not equal notability, and asserting that the sources show notability does not make it so. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Jesuit educational institutions per WP:ATD. I agree the school fails WP:NORG. 4meter4 (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Jesuit educational institutions per 4meter4 and Extraordinary Writ. I think that's a good compromise since it isn't up to mustard notability wise but is still worth mentioning somewhere and being able to search for. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Firstly, a huge thank to The Banner for your work in tidying up this article. We all know how difficult and time-consuming it is going through an article and removing the advertising, promotion, PoV and unsourced material. Genuinely, I commend anyone who does it so consistently. Thank you. Nevertheless, according to WP:GNG this article needs to be kept as more than one secondary source gives significant coverage to the school, meet exactly the stated requirements for 'significant coverage', which state: "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Pjposullivan (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Which ones? All the sources I see are just trivial mentions with no more than a sentence or two about the school. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Monitor, and Berkeley Center the mention of the school is critical to the articles, however it is not the main topic of the source material. The main topic being the headmaster, or anti-corruption efforts. Though, I hesitate to mention the PRWeb article, as I'm not exactly sure what the PRWeb article actually is, it's neither a blog, the school nor their owner's website. Pjposullivan (talk) 21:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose we just disagree about what is significant coverage, then. The Monitor doesn't say anything more than "The clubs are thriving in Ocer Campion Jesuit College" and "The overall winners of the debate competition were Gulu town-based Ocer Campion Jesuit College", which strikes me as trivial (the 100-word rule is good advice, even if it isn't a formal guideline). The Berkeley Center piece is just an interview, which at least in my view isn't "independent" for purposes of the GNG since it's just the headmaster speaking about his school. I agree with your skepticism of PRWeb: it's presumably just a press release (probably what the "PR" stands for) from some organization that's financially connected to the school. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect Why would it be notable, when other such school articles are routinely deleted. Redirect is a good alternative to deletion. The references including the press-release (PRWeb, a site that should never be visted by any editor in good standing) are mostly routine coverage, proving it exists. There is not one secondary source amongst the lot of them.   scope_creep Talk  11:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


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