Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odell Terry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The discussion below has demonstrated that the cited sources are only passing mentions (regular issues of competition results and club rosters). I should note that the primary concern here is the depth of biographical coverage in cited sources. The disagreement below, on whether Odell Terry competed at a sufficiently high level, is largely inconsequential to notability (in the way Wikipedia uses the word). Deryck C. 13:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Odell Terry

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Non notable judoka. The references are passing mentions and results so fail WP:GNG. His success in judo was in an Air Force tournament and in the 70+ year old divisions. Nothing to show he meets any criteria at WP:MANOTE or WP:ATHLETE.Mdtemp (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 21:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep notable African American Judo fighter who has had success as an instructor as well as a competitor. He has multiple mentions in black belt magazine.  CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Passes MANOTE by either being (1) Subject of an independent article/documentary,  (3) Repeated medalist (as an adult black belt, i.e. 1st dan equivalent or higher rank) in another significant event; - (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament, not an internal school champion).  The high ranking rationale that you stated for deletion for a number of them applies when ... "Only achievement seems to be that they teach an art (or founded a non-notable art); perhaps also avoid even mentioning them in the article of the art unless they are one of a few high-ranked artists in an art that has thousands of students."  Judo has hundred of thousand practitioners.CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Passing mentions and senior citizen titles do not demonstrate notability.Mdtemp (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There does exist SOME passing mention in articles but there is also indepedent articles. Please look at ALL the sources.CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

He passes WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:MANOTE. CrazyAces489 (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete, having reviewed the sources, I don't see anything substantial enough that Terry would meet the WP:GNG. He's clearly a step above your weekend or casual competitor, but doesn't seem to have broken through into wider notability.  References provided, where they're in independent secondary sources, are mainly casual mentions.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC).
 * Comment Second Place in the 1966 US National Championships Ashbury Park, N.J.	NC	U80 is far more than a step above. That is second in the NATION.  So is he an elite competitor in Judo .   Meets WP:ATHLETE  CrazyAces489 (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Again the question of what is an elite and notable competitor in Judo is in question.  Competing in the World Championships or the Olympics would be - the others just aren't.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment'''US Senior National Silver Medalist and World Masters Champion. He passes WP:GNG and WP:MANOTE. CrazyAces489 (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete The fact that he's African American does not make him notable nor does winning a 2 person senior division. A silver medal, however, puts him on the edge. I'm siding delete since WP:MANOTE says multiple medals at major championships and he doesn't meet that.204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * commentStated to be a major Judoka in the United States, winner of 9th East Coast Regional , winner of Yoshida Cup CrazyAces489 (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 13:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * keep by WP:Athlete and WP:GNG. Being second best in the nation is notable enough.  He has multiple medals in different years.  24.103.234.74 (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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