Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odessa Grady Clay (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp  💬  01:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Odessa Grady Clay
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Fails WP:GNG and notability isn't inherited ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep It’s survived two previous nominations. If it doesn’t merit standalone status and this is going to keep cropping up every however many years then just delete it. I don’t have the energy to keep justifying and defending it. Jack1956 (talk) 14:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've got your back – she's on my watchlist now. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. While it's true that her notability derives almost entirely from her famous son, Muhammad Ali, she is still notable. She's been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources, and clearly there's plenty of source material available to write a detailed biography. WP:NOTINHERITED means relatives of celebrities don't get a free pass, but it doesn't mean that they don't get articles even when WP:BASIC is met. pburka (talk) 14:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notability clearly established during the previous nominations. Nothing has changed in the intervening years to make the article less notable. Dreamspy (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:NOTINHERITED states that "notability not being inherited is not by itself grounds for deletion". There are plenty of sources which provide copious biographical details about the subject and so she passes WP:GNG. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per above, inheritance does not cancel out notability. This article has been nominated twice before, with outcomes of no consensus, then keep. What has changed that would make her less notable today than before? Jacona (talk) 15:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also see Articles for deletion/Cassius Marcellus Clay Sr. (2nd nomination), probably these should be considered at the same time to waste less time. Jacona (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Has plenty of citations. Article reads like someone who was written about in the papers. Adjunct to a more famous person doesn't mean their own notability was inherited. Normal Op (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: The 1966 Sports Illustrated coverage is especially strong, and her obituary was in The New York Times. Yes, her fame stems from her relationship with her son, but there are lots of mothers of celebrated people who never get direct coverage of their own lives and struggles. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, She, herself, has received enough coverage to satisfy notability Alex-h (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


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