Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odunsi (The Engine) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. WP:CSD G5 creation by a banned or blocked user in violation of their ban or block. No obstacle to recreation by an editor in good standing. SpinningSpark 17:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Odunsi (The Engine)
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A promising musician that might have a notable career. Presently fails WP:NMUSIC. Awards nominated for are not notable enough to confer auto notability. The category he was even nom for is not a major one. Still a case of WP:TOOSOON, the references does not signify passing WP:GNG. HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:31, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:34, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:34, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: Why are you interested in created previously deleted articles by blocked editors? All the BLPs you've created since you joined WP has been previously deleted via a discussion. See Articles for deletion/Odunsi (The Engine), Articles for deletion/Abimbola Ogunnowo (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Laura Ikeji and Articles for deletion/Dj Kentalky (1 and 2). What is your relationship with blocked editors? HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep Sometimes I wonder if you do your research before nominating my articles, I started writing this article in July.. It took you 1 day to nominate without giving any good reason.. Article clearly meet the criteria WP:NMUSIC, criteria 1 which stated published works in all forms, such as magazine articles (Guardian Life), 4 which stated has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour in at least one sovereign country Odunsi & Nonso Amadi UK Concert, 7 which stated has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style "Alternative music", 8 Has been nominated for a major music award, such as "Nigeria Entertainment Awards", 10 Has performed music for a work of media that is notable Isoken movie, 11 Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio The Beat 99.9 FM alternative and 12 Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio The Beat 99.9 FM on "The Morning Rush" show with Olisa Adibua & Maria Okanrende.--Timi422 (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC) Striking sockpuppet !vote: WP:SOCKSTRIKE --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note Wikipedia never stated "the category of an award must be major" but stated on WP:NMUSIC the award won or been nominated for must be a major music award. Don't misinterpret the law wrongly. Also articles may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria, but this article didn't meet one but 1, 4, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 12 so it not a cause of may be notable but is notable enough to stand alone. As of WP:GNG he was covered on a printable magazine as stated above and here are some reliable source Nigerian Tribune, OkayAfrica also he performed at the Gidi Culture Festival 2018, Maleek Berry Last Daze Of Summer Lagos Concert, also he attended Burna Boy private listening party for new album "Outside" and he was also on Soundcity Radio Network where he talked about "In The Morning" song and Mental Health issues on Mixcloud. With all this,notable event he performed, an radio broadcast segment across a national radio and alot more. I don't see him as a case of WP:TOOSOON but as of 2017 it was a clear case of WP:TOOSOON when the first deletion was made.--Timi422 (talk) 07:13, 15 September 2018 (UTC)  Striking comment by sockpuppet: WP:SOCKSTRIKE. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Cyber representation in Nigerian music scene is one aspect of our sociocultural landscape that has as much digital coverage as western counterparts. Because of this, it is very easy for upcoming musician to masquerade themselves like they pass GNG, due to passing mentions, promotional interviews and minor coverage but a critical assessment of WP:NMUSIC will show that they are currently of no encyclopedic value to Wikipedia. And I didn't come across this page yesterday, I've added it to my watchlist while it was in draftspace because even though I can't prove it convincingly yet, I'm 99% certain you're a sock of someone with strong COI connections.
 * The film, Isoken contained 23 Nigerian songs made by different artists. Odunsi's song was not the original/main soundtrack for the film. His song was just played for some few seconds, there is nothing noteworthy about that.
 * Nigeria Entertainment Awards has never been a main award to confer notability, don't be deceived by its name. Its selection and awarding process falls short of global standards. Even The Headies, that doesn't have a rigorous selection process like AFRIMAs has grown to be a prestiguous music ceremony because of its history. There are a number of notable music awards that confer notability for Nigerian musicians, NEA isn't one of them. Please read about All Africa Music Awards and see how a significant award is usually organized. I created most of the yearly articles for NEAs and categories such as Most Promising Act are completely disregarded based historical records at AFDs. Odunsi didn't even win it, he was just nominated! Winning a major category such as Artiste of the Year, Song of the Year, etc may be considered weakly, but there is usually no discussion in favour of regarding most promising act. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep working on major labels such as Universal and Warner and has coverage in multiple reliable sources already in the article such as the Nigerian Tribune, also nominated for a notable award, passes WP:GNG regards, Atlantic306 (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. Still no consensus even after two relists

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  13:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


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