Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Off Road Studios


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:51, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Off Road Studios

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP. The only independent reliable source giving the company significant coverage that I can find is the Tribune piece already cited in the article, which looks suspiciously like an advertorial (though perhaps it isn't - it just reads like one). The mention in The News is an extremely short passing mention only, and PRWEB is press releases. The "thewfa" piece does not look independent at all. The article itself is also unduly promotional - what does "consistently recognised and awarded" by IMDB signify? "in the heart of", "one of the largest", "a vital role", etc. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The article has some promotional ie. advertorial qualities. It would be good to get someone with familiarity in the field or with Pakistan to weigh in. 02:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * There was a Services section that sounded like a promotional content, I removed it and will keep removing other phrases that give a promotional look. UBS  talk  03:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Off Road Studios, did carry out the digital campaigning for WAAR and was recognised by various local mediums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.12.40.138 (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)  has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Published as an official studios for WAAR on WAAR Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waar — 116.71.185.204 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 20:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC).


 * Keep . Off Road Studios, is also part of the top 50 web agency list link: http://indeziner.com/design/inspiration/50-creative-web-agencies/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.12.40.138 (talk) 09:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|20px|alt=|link=]] — Duplicate !vote: 103.12.40.138 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.


 * Keep This article now meets WP:GNG and WP:CORP. This company is notable as the references show it. KhUzAima Rahman (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: many of the IP votes above should be disregarded as likely meatpuppetry, and I also find it suspicious that the article's creator would edit the user page of a new user, and that said user would come here and vote to keep the article the former had created. This isn't the place for similar investigations, but the closing admin should take that into account.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, as a puff piece with little evidence of notability; the recently added sources are risible, the first is a SEO website, another is from 'PRWEB' which as the name suggests is for press releases and yet another one is the same newspaper article published over three different websites. This blog article from the WSJ is cited as a source, but the agency's name only appears in photo credits.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment As I was notified of the AfD on my talk page, I will abstain from voting. However, this piece does seem to cover the subject and the fact that it is affiliated with Waar, Pakistan's highest-grossing movie, does suggest some notability.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 11:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Relist Comment, I've relisted to gain further feedback from editors who are not oddly well informed IP editors with few previous edits on other topics. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Delete - non-notable spam with weak to non-existent sourcing. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Promotional ads put as sources, not a real studio. I worked with them, it's just 38 Pakistanis in a studio claiming that they have branches in the USA, UK, Australia, and the UAE but the only real branch in in the MM Towers. All the other locations as seen on Google Maps, are rented out flats or houses, not real offices. All American names are falsified e.g. one of the animators was real Mujahini but his false name was "Edward Smith" and the Australian nickname "Ray Buchanan", another Pakistani sales rep claimed was not his real name; he was really named Abdur Rana. Also they are required to cover the Pakistani accents with British accents for the ones who claim to live in the UK, Australian for Australia, etc. From job posts I saw from their maanagement and from sources inside the company, they all get $0.75-3.00 an hour so they couldn't even afford to live in Australia, the USA, or the UK on such measly salaries. and all their work is done by a third-party so they don't really do any of their own work so any real recognition isn't deserved. By the way, I heard all of this from someone who works there as well as my own private reaseach so all this info is legit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.64.15 (talk) 23:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Commenting on the above vote, to be completely biased and inaccurate, The Agency is certainly Legit, as I have been an advertising consultant and have worked with the agency for almost 2 years now, The agency does have their office in Lahore, Pakistan and Dubai Media City, and has 60 employees in Lahore and some more in Dubai, and have worked on campaigns with Peps groupi in the Middle East and I am a witness to that. Please call Dubai Media City and get your proof for the biased inaccurate comment above, here is the official address to the agency in Dubai: G11, DMC 05, Dubai Media City, Dubai, UAE. Contact: David Redmond (A very senior advertising official with over 25 years of experience in Middle East acts as a Managing Director for Dubai: +971.50.248.6231), Lahore: 11th Floor, MM Towers, MM Alam Rd, Gulberg II. Moreover the article does not have any such claims to have offices in Australia, USA etc. as you have mentioned above, neither does the agency claims on their website or any other place, they do have PR reps in other countries. The information about the agency in the article is completely legit and accurate.

However irrespective to my response to the comment above, the agency was part of the team and an official studio on the highest grossing movie of all time in the history of Pakistan "WAAR" with a rating of 9.5 on IMDB and top 100 movies by user votes on IMDB for 2013 and is published as an official studios for WAAR on IMDB and Wikipedia page for WAAR: IMDB Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821700/externalsites Wikipedia Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waar so certainly this does suggest recognition. The article also meets WP:GNG and WP:CORP My vote is to Keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.12.233 (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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