Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Off to the Races (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Born_to_Die_(Lana_Del_Rey_album). Clearly a song released as a promo-only single in one country doesn't pass NSONGS, as is pointed out. Black Kite (talk) 01:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Off to the Races (song)

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Nominate deletion. Wait till this song is a worldwide single to create page. There's no need for this song to have a page as it's a promo single for ONLY Netherlands. MrIndustry (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 31.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  01:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow  Talk 22:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:NSONG and WP:GNG - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 20:27, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to parent album until song charts. — Statυs  (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Song was actually released promotionally in the Netherlands, the critical reception is outstanding, and a music video has been confirmed with sources credible to withstand Wikipedia standards. With some cleaning-up here and there, the article could really sparkle. WikiUhOh (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ^Not a valid reason. Fails WP:NSONG as it has not charted. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 00:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - the article contains plenty of references that prove the song is quite notable. To Lakeshade, it's funny that you say that is fails WP:NSONG as it has not charted, but have you even read the policy? Your comment is ridiculous. Per WP:NSONG, "songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." Not that they use "or", not "and"; so nowhere is the policy does it say that a song has to chart. Also, it says "notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." This article is definitely not a stub, and probably can be expanded even more. 114.76.30.48 (talk) 08:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Good point 114.76.30.48, the song either needs to chart -or- be recorded by several notable artists. Until someone else records this same song it is still not notable and thus doesn't merit its own page. Vote to Redirect to album per WP:NSONG --Joshuaism (talk) 15:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - That other clause in WP:NSONG that 114.76.30.48 quotes is, in my opinion, further recommendation against listing an individual article EVEN IF a song is proven notable unless there are details that would expand a song article beyond just a stub. That is the point of the clause "Notability aside, ...". Otherwise it would suggest that even unnotable songs can merit a stand-alone article if you can find enough cruft to pad it out to full article size but I don't think the purpose of "Notability aside, ..." is to create a loophole in WP:GNG--Joshuaism (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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