Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogasawara Shōsai (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. – filelakeshoe (t / c) &#xF0F6;  13:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Ogasawara Shōsai
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All I can find about this subject appears to be WP mirrors. It has been banging around, spawning copies since it was created in 2014. Any history book that describes a Japanese person from 1615 would likely be written in Japanese. This article in the English version of WP should be deleted. If the Japanese version lives and is later sent to English with references -- and spelled the same way, fine. For now it has to go. Someone figured out how to generate hundreds or thousands of English articles from the Japanese version, but without references. The last time this article came up for AfD, an argument was that the Japanese WP had the same guy, but the name was spelled differently. That's not a reference. Rhadow (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:05, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  16:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  16:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The rationale behind this AfD is hard to understand. We don't delete articles just because they have been spawning copies. We also don't delete them because they currently have no references (see WP:NRVE: "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article"). The characterization of the previous AfD is also incorrect: as I and others agreed, there are reliable sources out there for the individual (even though not a lot on the net), and then there's the additional fact that this person has become a recurring character in many novels and historical accounts of the era, achieving fame in the popular imagination. No where did I argue it should be saved just because it has a Japanese Wikipedia article (and that was definitely not the main reason the article was saved). My previous argument stands (though, as anyone who reads it can see, I did consider the article from multiple angles and did not argue that it was an obvious keep). If referencing is an issue, I have now added the Kumamoto Prefecture reference, though more can be done. Michitaro (talk) 09:54, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


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