Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oh Long Johnson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Cats and the Internet. I don't see any reason to drag this out much longer. There seems to be a rough consensus that this subject does not meet the requirements for a stand-alone article. Anny content worth merging to the redirect target is still available from the article history. Randykitty (talk) 12:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh Long Johnson

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Funny video, but not notable. I can't find anything about it pretty much anywhere. TheAwesome Hwyh  17:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions.  TheAwesome  Hwyh  17:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  TheAwesome  Hwyh  17:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm finding stories at least partially about it at the Vancouver Sun, the Washington Post, Metro, the New Zealand Herald (already in article), and Bustle (already in article). Furthermore, many of the articles talk about the video as if they assume the reader is already familiar with it.  C Thomas3   (talk) 18:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Oh, my bad then. I didn't see those sources. I think its notable now. TheAwesome  Hwyh  19:52, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect Cats and the Internet already has more relevant information than this article does for a merge. Not every silly video that goes viral is notable, and the sources above that mention it in conjunction with other web memes do not independently establish it. The idea that being mentioned in some listicles means it needs its own article is silly. Reywas92Talk 20:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the article should be deleted since it’s just about a cat like it’s saying in the infobox, speaking of which, this is only a video two. However, I’m not sure if this is a good reason for deletion or ridriedt. Arthurfan828 (talk) 01:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ...What? Why would we delete an article just because its about a cat? Am I understanding you right? TheAwesome  Hwyh  04:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I would like to echo . Can you provide a policy-based reason to delete the article? – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect, fully agree with Reywas92. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - This talking cat Internet meme is now a permanently cemented part of popular culture. It won't go away and it's still being used by people and television. Too many to mention. Sadly Don Piano or Oh Don Piano didn't quite have the same catchy effect. Some music to enjoy
 * DA FUNK OF OH LONG JOHNSON! (Now on iTunes!) - WTFBrahh
 * The Oh Long Johnson Song - By raguhmuffins (A sweet song by 2 young ladies)
 * Oh Long Johnson Song - Dubblestandart
 * Oh Long Johnson - PIANO CAT & STEFAN REMIX - STEFAN STEFANSKI
 * The 2nd Law: Oh Long Johnson Will Rise Again! - Grotesquerie
 * Oh Long Johnson (Talking Cat Electro Version)-Smokey Balls (BTW: This version rocks) I could easily fill a whole page on how and where this has spread to. You don't have to be Einstein to work it out. Karl Twist (talk) 09:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment None of those are reliable sources- just a bunch of random YouTube videos. TheAwesome  Hwyh  01:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above by TheAwesomeHwyh. They weren't meant to be reliable sources. They were just put in to show a little bit of how the "Oh Long Johnson" has taken hold. It was just a quikc grab of a first few I cam across. Karl Twist (talk) 08:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If they aren't reliable sources they don't count. Give me at least one, please. TheAwesome  Hwyh  20:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I live in Iran-Qazvin and this crazy cat is famous here due to TV broadcast, I known him/her (! :)). 2 user have provided enough sources to keep the article, no more need to additional sources. Editor-1 (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure what you're talking about. What TV show was that? And what do you mean you know them? TheAwesome  Hwyh  01:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above by TheAwesomeHwyh. You may not have been up with the "Oh long Johnson" phenomenon. It has found it's way into popular culture. It has appeared in a few TV programs and is known around the world. Just check out the Long Johnson tee shirts here. Its status is also recognized on the Know Your Meme site. It's even found additional fame in the Mediterranean with Spanish band Miss Caffeina and their Oh Long Johnson album hitting the charts. It charted on March 7, 2019. And guess where they got the name for the album from?? I wonder if that's why a month later MSN have put the "Oh Long Johnson" Talking Cat video up the following month. Karl Twist (talk) 05:53, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect I know I said earlier that I think this is notable, but looking a bit deeper all the sources just seem to be listicles, so delete. TheAwesome  Hwyh  01:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above by TheAwesomeHwyh. Not so! It has its own page on Know Your Meme and that gives an indication of where it's spread to. It had made its way info the Faith Hilling episode of the animated television show South Park. In that episode, people are putting themselves in precarious situations and saying "Oh long Johnson".*->, *-> Just recently, this year in fact: A band from Spain, Miss Caffeina have taken the words "Oh Long Johnson" as the title for their new album. See Betevé: Miss Caffeina, del mem a l’àlbum ‘Oh Long Johnson’, and 20 minutos, 25.07.2019 - Miss Caffeina cumplirá en el Low 40 conciertos de Oh Long Johnson: "Nuestra mejor gira, estamos más unidos que nunca" The album was in the Spanish charts for a total of ten weeks, peaking at #1 in March, 2019. See Acharts.co - Oh Long Johnson, HISTORIC PERFORMANCE, Spain Albums Top 100 - It's gone further and deeper than you realise. Karl Twist (talk) 07:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * None of those contribute to notability. Random pop-culture refrences don't help. Can you show me at least one website or book that explores it in depth? I doubt it. TheAwesome  Hwyh  22:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above by TheAwesomeHwyh. So you don't think a popular Spanish band (Miss Caffeina) being inspired by the meme and using it as the title for their charting Album which went to #1 and stayed on the charts for ten weeks *,*, * is an indication of what else might be out there or who else has seen but some others haven't. OK then. Well German author Verena Mermer, Wikipedia Germany page heard about the cat and mentioned it in her book Autobus Ultima Speranza.   It was included in The Daily Show in 2013, 2017 and 2018.*, *, * In 2010 or 2011, a band called Convicted Killer Scientists put out a single, "Oh Don Piano". *, * OK, it didn't make #1 like the record by Miss Caffeina. Well, it has it's own page on Know Your Meme. and these two following articles are not listicles. They are about "Oh Long Johnson". * Tyden.cz, 15.05.2012  - VIDEO: Mluvící kočka dobývá svět. Zahrála si i v South Parku * Techinsight.jp, 2015年05月01日 15:45 【海外発！Breaking News】喋って歌うネコ. 呂律の回らないオジサンみたいな動画が大人気.  by Joy横手 If you want to read them in English, just C&P the url into Google and press enter. You'll get the translated page. And just like  User:Editor-1 from Iran-Qazvin said (at 12:23, 16 August 2019) …. "and this crazy cat is famous here due to TV broadcast, I known him/her". It shows that "Oh long Johnson" and "Oh Don Piano" have found fame in parts other than the West. It's notable! Karl Twist (talk) 10:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No. Give me a reliable, independent source. Know Your Meme isn't reliable. Show me a source that talks about the band Miss Caffeina being inspired- them being inspired on their own doesn't help notability. Same with Convicted Killer Scientists. TheAwesome  Hwyh  20:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above - Why are you ignoring the 2 references I just gave you???? The Týden.cz ref is about the cat and Týden.cz articles are a many in Google News. Plus it's used often in Wikipedia !. Same with the Techinsight.jp ref. It's in Google News a lot! So here they are again translated! Týden.cz, 15.05.2012 VIDEO: Talking cat conquers the world. She also played in South Park Link And .... Techinsight 2015.05.01 15:45 [From overseas!  Breaking News】 A cat that sings and sings.  Videos like Ojisan that doesn't turn around are very popular. Link Also, when you said .... QUOTE: "No. Give me a reliable, independent source. Know Your Meme isn't reliable. Show me a source that talks about the band Miss Caffeina being inspired- them being inspired on their own doesn't help notability". That doesn't quite make sense. OK, well here's proof the band was inspired by "Oh Long Johnson". The title of the album was inspired by the famous viral video of the Oh Long Johnson cat. (Reference 1) Betevé - Miss Caffeina, del mem a, ConvictOh Long Johnson’, (Reference 2) 20 minutos, 25.07.2019 - Miss Caffeina cumplirá en el Low 40 conciertos de Oh Long Johnson: "Nuestra mejor gira, estamos más unidos que nunca".  And why would you nominate the Oh Long Johnson (album) page for deletion when  charting albums are notable. And this album went to #1 . (Translated for those who don't speak Spanish), and confirmed here too. There's other stuff here too about the "Oh Long Johnson" album name. So why try and delete a #1 charting album page as well? What's up! Karl Twist (talk) 08:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * NOTE TO THE CLOSING ADMIN:, I can't see this article being deleted as there is a lot of spread by this meme. And recent news about a band having A #1 hit with their Oh Long Johnson album But if by some strange chance the wind decides to blow in one direction, I ask that the history of this article please be preserved and it directed to another page. Hopefully that won't happen though. Thanks. Regards Karl Twist (talk) 11:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Karl Twist is the creator and major contributor to the contested article. -The Gnome (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Having a page on "know your meme" doesn't automatically confer notability, nor does a passing reference in South Park. No depth-of-coverage in reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 17:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. YouTube is not a Wikipedia source that by itself establishes notability. And, per WP:NWEB, web popularity is not to be assessed on its own, i.e. When evaluating the notability of web content, [we should] consider whether it has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. None of that around, I'm afraid. Just lots of "I like it." As to the "popularity" arguments, if we do not accept Google hits for humans as proof of notability, I'm afraid we cannot accept them for other animals, either. -The Gnome (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to The Gnome - Here are 2 articles about the cat. Both of them reliable sources. The Týden.cz ref is about the cat and Týden.cz articles are a many in Google News. Plus it's used often in Wikipedia !. Same with the Techinsight.jp ref. It's in Google News a lot! So here they are again translated! Týden.cz, 15.05.2012 VIDEO: Talking cat conquers the world. She also played in South Park And .... Techinsight 2015.05.01 15:45 [From overseas!  Breaking News】 A cat that sings and sings.  Videos like Ojisan that doesn't turn around are very popular. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Being listed by Google News doesn't make a subject notable for being entered in an encyclopedia. The page does not meet any of the criteria of Notability (music). -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above comment by BhagyaMani. Ah excuse me! Nowhere did I try to say that the article was notable for being listed in Google News. I only included that to show that Týden.cz appears in Google News a lot as well as being references here by Wikipedians a lot. Some people sometimes turn their noses up at sources from countries that are not considered Western. True! And this article here has nothing to do with music. Not sure why you brought music up. Karl Twist (talk) 11:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood me : THIS subject 'Oh Long Johnson' being listed in Google News (or other search engines) doesn't make it notable for an encyclopedia. My vote stands for delete. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:23, 20 August 2019 (UTC) added BhagyaMani (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above comment by BhagyaMani: Not trying to say that notability of 'Oh Long Johnson' is confirmed by being listed in Google News or search engines. Not at all. And again,this article here has nothing to do with music. Not sure why you brought music up. Karl Twist (talk) 11:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You brought 'music' up yourself, see your argument from 16 August 2019 at 09:08. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above comment by BhagyaMani, Oh that. That's just a quick grab of a few clips on YouTube, just to give breadth to what I was talking about. Juist showing how it's flowed on to other people who have used it. It doesn't show or suggest in any way that this article is about Music. Anyway, talking about Music. Check out Sound Cloud. There's quite a few people that have taken on a bit of "Oh Long Johnson mania". The only musical connection with this article (if you like) is the Oh Long Johnson album by Miss Caffeina. It was in the charts in Spain for 10 weeks and went to the no 1 position. The album title was inspired by "Oh Long Johnson" cat. It's up for deletion as well but like this, it's notable as it charted and went to no 1. Perhaps sometimes, in the eyes of some folks, what's not Western doesn't really count. Who knows what people think. Karl Twist (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * A further note to the closing admin:. Please if it looks like it's going to be leaning away from Keep. Could I please ask that the article not be deleted but be simply redirected to Cats and the Internet and we thus preserve the history. Perhaps in 12 months we could re-visit this by discussion and look at it being on its own again. But by preserving the edit history, leaving it intact would be the way to go. I'm sure there'll be more news articles in due course. Many thanks Karl Twist (talk) 11:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You already said that, Karl Twist. And you seem to be trying with your avalanche of postings to overwhelm the process, possibly inadvertedly. It's time to step back and allow this AfD to reach its conclusion, whatever it might be. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 13:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's already taking up a pretty signifigant amount of my time trying to reply to your comments. Maybe its best to just walk away. TheAwesome  Hwyh  17:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to The Gnome. Yes I already said that but I forgot to mention a re-direct to "Cats and the Internet". I don't like to go back and re-edit something (even if nobody's replied to it) if there's been a fair bit of activity following it. And as for Quote:"avalanche of postings to overwhelm the process, possibly inadvertedly". I totally reject that. I will admit though, that when I'm passionate about something or enter into a debate, I do tend to get stuck in there. Anyway, I won't get into what I think is right or what is wrong. I'm happy to just step back anyway. Que Sera Sera. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 08:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect. There's not enough encyclopaedic content to make an article out of this internet meme, but it's a plausible search term.—S Marshall T/C 21:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge any salvageable content to Cats and the Internet. I'm not seeing any significant coverage from reliable sources, only trivial filler content. The information about the album and the South Park episode would be better covered at their respective articles. – Teratix ₵ 03:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, Karl Twist, you've already made a dozen comments in this AfD and that's not even counting your !vote. I'd say the term "overwhelming" is accurate. As to your reason for the avalanche, this is the internet and almost always the reason is passion about the subject. You're doing the right thing by stepping away. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 11:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to comment made by The Gmome at 11:26, 22 August 2019. Yes I've made a few because I felt that other participants were incorrectly addressing certain things here and concentrating on things that were not even attempts to portray notability. Well, I made a dozen which is about 4 more than TheAwesomeHwyh. Also the term "avalanche" is quite a bit inaccurate as well as reckless. Thanks. Karl Twist (talk) 09:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Just simply let go. -The Gnome (talk) 20:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Please take note: User:Sandstein re-listed this at 18:54, 21 August 2019 to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Any further comments need to be made in the new section as per QUOTE:" Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks" . Now, as to not cloud this any more with comments or discussions that don't directly relate to the debate about whether this is notable or not, I have opened up the Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Oh Long Johnson Talk page. Many thanks Karl Twist (talk) 07:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)


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