Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oh We Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  n o consensus. - Mailer Diablo 14:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh We Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside

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Unsourced article about an album, providing no evidence of notability. A prod was contested on the basis that albums released by notable musical groups are in themselves notable. I'm not so convinced the band is notable either. Mattinbgn/talk 00:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.  -- Mattinbgn/talk 00:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete No claim of notability, no sources, and no information except a song list. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per Malevious. ~ Magnus animum  ∵ ∫ φ γ 01:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would say that if a band is notable enough for its own wikipedia article, then its albums are too. I mean, even minor albums are listed for notable artists. However, I'm not sure how notable this band is. Surely, if the album is not notable, then the band article itself should also be up for deletion? --It&#39;s-is-not-a-genitive 01:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment even the notability page says that policy is controversial. Since it says that I look at it the same way as TV shows an episodes. If an episode has to prove its notability outside of the TV show, an album/song should have to prove it as well. Since a TV being notable doesn't make the episodes notable, a Band being notable shouldn't make songs/albums notable. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. The album is not notable enough on its own. Vassyana 04:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I suggest, looking at WP:Music that what is needed is an AfD on the band. If the band is notable then so are their albums. I don't think The Vasco Era is notable though.Garrie 08:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge. The page on the band is well referenced, and they do seem to satisfy notability as per WP:MUSIC. However the album page, as well as Let It Burn EP and Miles EP should be merged into the page on the band. Recurring dreams 11:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:MUSIC makes the album notable if the artist is notable. There may be a valid discussion of the notability of the band, but at the moment it stands unchallenged.  Jody B   talk 11:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The band is on AfD here.  Heather 15:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep per sumnjim -- St.daniel  Talk
 * Keep. Agree with JodyB. Until the band article is deemed not notable, this article unfortunately has to stand under WP:MUSIC as notable. Should be tagged for cleanup. Assize 12:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. If kept, the article needs to be moved to Oh We Do Like to Be Beside the Seaside, which this suggests is the proper capitalisation.  Incidentally, that Amazon page says that the album isn't out yet, FWIW.  Heather 14:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I commented on the band's AFK, which I also voted as strong keep, as they easily pass WP:MUSIC Criteria #1. As the band is notable, the album is notable. -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 15:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep Changed my vote based on re-reading Wp:Music. See my comment for more detial.-- St.daniel Talk 12:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * comment from the guideline: "Though this guideline is somewhat controversial, the general consensus on notability of albums is that if the musician or ensemble that made them is considered notable, then their albums have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." as a qualification on a guideline, it indicates to me that common sense in the interpretation is needed, This article not on a subject I understand enough about to apply common sense to, so I just make the comment.DGG 00:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment' - Some of the commenters here appear to be operating under a false assumption. Even if it is determined that a band is notable, it does not follow that individual albums are. For instance, given authors might be notable, but some of their books are not. In those cases, the books can be discussed in a small section of the author's page, or on a seperate page about all their writings. I believe the same applies in the case of musicians and their albums. -- Kesh 01:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Under WP:Music an Album of a notable band is considered notable. Thus it seems as though this articles notability has been established. While Kesh does make a good point that with authors their less notable books often are included on the authors page. This article is not about a book and we have a clear policy guideline to follow. I do not believe Following WP:MUSIC, and Wikipedia policy is not acting under a false assumption. And all albums are considered notable if they are made by a notable band. An example of this would be Infinite an Eminem album that sold very few copies and received practically no public or media attention. However Eminem is a notable rapper who made the Album thus making it notable. Although I realize this is an extreme example it still holds true for this album. If the band is notable so is the album. Thus this article deserves to be kept.-- St.daniel Talk 12:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I accept that you're doing it, and am glad I'm not editing in this area and know at least enough to never !vote on the merits of any AfD in this area. But I do find this exceedingly odd. Does it apply to classical music as well? Is every individual Bach composition with a BWV number notable? Is every album Fisher-Dieskau recorded? Then I'd have some interesting work to do. (smile) DGG 06:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is their debut album so if this album is not notable, they probably aren't either. This album was released last week on Universal Records. It has obtained some independent third party coverage. and . A couple of videos from the album have been played on J TV on ABC TV across Australia. . The Vasco Era and this album both appear notable to me. Capitalistroadster 02:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. No assertion of notability whatsoever in the article. Again even if the band is notable, that has no bearing on the album itself. -- Kesh 03:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Band is notable but album has not charted in any country (have checked Australian and NZ charts carefully). Orderinchaos 05:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to the band. &mdash;Moondyne 10:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep article is only new, give it time to develop!!! Wiki ian 00:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, I think that the band is notable enough (barely), and therefore so is this album. Lankiveil 03:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Keep. the album is receiving lots of national coverage from Triple J.  and Richard "The King" Kingsmill has this album on his short list.. John Vandenberg 07:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The band has been deemed notable, hence so should the record. WWGB 11:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.