Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okanagan Senior League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Okanagan Senior League

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Amateur hockey league, no evidence of notability based on google hits as the league is made up of amateurs and not professionals, being the highest level regional club does not make it inherently notable. Terrillja talk  22:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I removed the speedy from this article as the reference to the Allan Cup was an indication of possible notability. I would also note that there are plenty of amateur leagues on wikipedia (I'm fairly confident that the 21st Level of the English football league system is not remotely professional) - the professional requirement applies to athletes, not clubs or leagues.  Currently neutral as I've not researched this enough. Dpmuk (talk) 00:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete: Leagues don't win Allan Cups. Teams do, and of course notability is not inherited.  There are only a handful of G-News hits, none of which mention the league in any significant detail (or scarcely any detail at all).  No doubt the league existed, but I'd like to see some notion of sources sufficient to satisfy WP:V.   Ravenswing  09:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and Improve: This is a historical top-tier senior league from British Columbia that was in annual competition for the Allan Cup, the Senior Grand Championship of Canada. Senior hockey is and will always be a feeder system for pro hockey and many NHL'ers played on these teams and in this league.  The article just needs some work.  DMighton (talk) 17:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Move I would also ask that it is moved to Okanagan Senior Hockey League, the Hockey Hall of Fame refers to it as the OSHL. DMighton (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Hockey Hall of Fame is wrong if it refers to this league as the Okanagan Senior Hockey League. During its time it was known as the Okanagan Senior League. A redirect from Okanagan Senior Hockey League would suffice. Dolovis (talk) 19:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep: That this league existed is verifiable. That it was a men’s senior league that performed at the highest amateur level is demonstrated by the verifiable fact that the teams that played within the league not only qualified to play for the Allan Cup, but that league teams twice won the Allan Cup (the pinnacle of Amateur hockey in North America). Wikipedia policy states that Notability is not temporary.The league has not operated for 50 years, and does not generate many news articles today. But when it was a going-concern in the 1950’s, it was most certainly followed and analyzed in the reputable media sources of its day. It has been demonstrated that Wikipedia notability discussions will sometimes show a Bias toward Internet sources. I do not have easy access to a search of reputable media sources (such as newspaper and magazine articles) from the 1950’s, but I have no doubt that if someone does search for such hardcopy sources that “verifiable objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention by the world at large, to support a claim of notability” would be found in abundance.  This article speaks to the history of hockey in Canada (both amateur and professional), and I strongly support keeping this article.  Dolovis (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Completely verifiable and has been written about in numerous sources which is all that is required. As mentioned above, during the time period this league operated this was the 2nd highest level of hockey in North America and quite probably the world behind the NHL. This league would have been written about extensively at the time. Per WP:N "If it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate unless active effort has been made to find these sources." This would fit that case in that it existed before the Internet so you would have to go to newspaper archives to find articles on it. -DJSasso (talk) 17:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. While the Allan Cup has faded dramatically in prestige in recent years, leagues that competed for it in the time frame this one existed were among the best in the world.  Easily notable. Resolute 20:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per above.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 23:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per above as well. Patken4 (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. No valid deletion reason is given. "Made up of amateurs" is not a valid argument against notability. --Smashvilletalk 16:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
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