Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okon Goes to School


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The result was   delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Okon Goes to School

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The film fails WP:GNG and WP:NFO. It has not received full-length reviews. None of the sources in the article discusses the film.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:46, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails NFILM and GNG —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 10:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - Although I could not find any full scale formal reviews, I found plenty of mentions of the film, its predecessor Okon Lagos and its sequel Lost in London, and I think it meets WP:GNG. The article needs expansion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Please list the "plenty of mentions" you found so we can evaluate them. Significant coverage in reliable sources is needed to establish notability.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 21:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Movie was a popular movie nationwide, mentioned on Premium Times, All Africa, Pulse Nigeria, Information Nigeria, the nation newspaper etc, all which are reliable sources. Zazzysa (talk) 10:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * None of the sources in the news link discusses the film. Popularity is not synonymous with notability. A film isn't suitable for stand-alone inclusion simply because it is popular. The Nation source you mentioned doesn't discuss the film either; the author of the article is simply giving his opinion about the films they're looking forward to in 2017. As a matter of fact, I don't see the film listed anywhere in the article. How can a film, which was supposedly released in 2012, be "listed" in the article titled "Most anticipated MOVIES of 2017"?  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 21:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * According to google there is a mention of "Okon Goes to school" in The Nation. Please check the first ref link provided below. Zazzysa (talk) 21:32, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The article published by The Nation newspaper only states the film's title and doesn't discuss it. I don't understand why you think this film meets Wikipedia's notability guideline. If you can provide me with a reliable source that discusses the film, I will change my stance from delete to keep.   Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 21:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Cwmhiraeth. Stanleytux (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep ditto to User:Stanleytux and User:Cwmhiraeth. --Oskinet (talk) 00:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Cwmhiraeth. I looked at a couple of sources in the article and they convey significance.  For example one provides dozens of photos of celebrities at the movie premier, plus photos of theatre ushers dressed in theme with the movie;  this isn't in-depth coverage of the movie per se, right I get that, but it is clearly a popular movie. -- do  ncr  am  01:04, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Lmao at your response. So you're essentially saying that dozens of photos at a movie premier is enough to warrant stand-alone inclusion. Popularity is not synonymous with notability. A film shouldn't have a stand-alone article simply because it is "popular". By the way, the film is not popular whatsoever. It wasn't nominated for any awards in Nigeria and isn't listed among the List of highest-grossing Nigerian films.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 09:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That adds nothing to what I said, IMO. It's not necessary, in fact it is a tad irritating, for a deletion nominator to comment on everything. -- do  ncr  am  02:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Keep: It is the dream of every actor to get that role in that notable film that will change the direction of his career. Think of Wesley Snipes as Blade in Blade 1, 2 and trinity. I believe Imeh Bishop got that when he starred in the titular role in this film. Since his oscar worthy performance in this film, the media continue to refer to "Okon Lagos" when talking about him. Obviously because the film added more valour to comedy films in Nigeria, giving Akwa Ibom natives an indigenous humorous identity. The film is of huge encyclopedic importance when expanding the comedy genre of Cinema of Nigeria article. Imeh Bishop is a main player in that light. So many references exist where the film was referenced in discussing the titular character, just use Google. Not too convenient for me now to add here. I hope I didn't run foul of talking too much on the actor, not the film. Darreg (talk) 10:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Everything you've said doesn't prove that the film was discussed in reliable sources. Show me a reliable source that discusses the film. Show me a reliable website that wrote a review about the film.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 11:32, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 08:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is no in-depth coverage in reliable sources that prove notability. All the refs show is that the film exists, that isn't enough. -- Darth Mike (talk) 13:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non-notable film. Google searches turn up no significant coverage and HighBeam turns up 0 sources. SL93 (talk) 15:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete While there are plenty of mentions of the movie in the various sources that come up in searches, not a single one of them is even close to the in depth discussion needed to establish notability. They are all pretty much one to two sentence mentions that the movie exists, and WP:ITEXISTS is not a reason to keep an article.  Pretty much every source currently in the article is about a completely different topic, and just mentions the movie tangentially, and searches bring up nothing better.  Saying that the movie was "popular" is not enough to establish notability unless there are also reliable sources that talk about the film in depth, and so far, I have not seen a single one.  64.183.45.226 (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks the significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources needed to satisfy general notability, and also does not satisfy the specific guideline for films. Multiple mentions is insufficient. Edison (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Article passes basic notability guidelines as per WP:GNG also as per WP:GNG an article need not pass every guideline stated in WP:GNG @ what you should have done, was communicate through the articles talk or simply, go straight to the article creator @ & communicate to him your issues concerning the article and then given him time to work on it, then if that fails you could now nominate it for deletion. I feel this was rather too harsh, as you both are Nigerian editors and this issue could have been resolved "in-house" I feel it's just a show of mutual respect and courtesy to first communicate with the content creator your concerns and issues with his/her article rather than just nominate it, as you both have good history together and are not unfamiliar to each other.Celestina007 (talk) 11:47, 07 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You are wrong on so many levels. For starters, Darreg did not create the article. If you look at the article's page information, you'll clearly see that Ukpong1 created the article on 15 March 2017. For your info, I do not need to communicate with anyone before nominating an article for deletion. It is wrong to think that nominators need to do this. My decision to nominate the article wasn't harsh in any way, shape, or form. If I come across an article not suitable for stand-alone inclusion, I am going to nominate it for deletion. I should also point out that your assumption about me is wrong. I am not from Nigeria. I am pretty sure Darreg respects my nomination although he disagrees with me. You claimed that the film meets WP:GNG. Can you show me

a reliable source that discusses the film. If you do, I'll change my stance from delete to keep.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I voted keep above, and I still think it meets WP:GNG. It is a Nigerian film and the Nigerian film industry is in a much less advanced position than that in the US, UK or India, so I would not expect there to be such extensive coverage of the film in the media. It still remains an important feature film in Nigeria with a prequel and a sequel. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've struck your keep, you should reconsider editing it to say comment as you cannot vote twice and you've already done so above. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:24, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I have changed it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It is flawed to think that because the film is a Nigerian film, one shouldn't expect there to be extensive coverage. Nigerian movies such as Black November, The Figurine, Phone Swap, and October 1 have gained extensive coverage in the media. Keep in mind that Black November and Phone Swap were released in 2012, the same year that Okon Goes to School was released. If OGTS was a popular film, it should have been discussed in reliable sources.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 22:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment seems the people voting for keep are stating baseless reasons outside Wikipedia's notability guideline. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 17:01, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * need i remind you to stay as civil as can be, "seems the people voting for keep are stating baseless reasons outside Wikipedia's notability guideline" is a tad bit disrespectful and rude, the use of 'baseless' was uncalled for, People who !voted! Keep citied at least one guideline hence their reasons were not 'baseless'. We must not make such rude or disrespectful statements as per WP:UNCIVIL states. furthermore your statement is incorrect as this is no voting process where persons with highest number wins or emerges victorious. do take note Celestina007 (talk) 22:02, 07 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe Okon Goes to School passes notability requirements. As a Nigerian and a member of the rather small Nigerian movie community, I fully understand the difficulty of establishing notability to current Wikipedia standards. Much of this falls under systemic bias, something that affects Okon Goes to School; as a Nigerian-movie notable in Nigeria on an American website (Wikipedia). My Personal and professional opinion if you ask me is, the movie has gained full coverage in Nigeria and there would be very few Nigerians who haven't heard of the movie.

1. I believe Okon Goes to School easily passes WP:MOVIE. The movie has been screened within Nigeria and other countries of Africa like Ghana, Benin Republic etc.

This might not be convincing enough but its worth a try. Zazzysa (talk) 16:15, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cwmhiraeth.Adequate indicia of notability in national press of the home nation, not all of which is going to be easily accessible on the internet.  Montanabw (talk) 02:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


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