Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oksana Grigorieva (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. I do understand the WP:INHERITED argument, but the subsequent sources added indicates that that no longer applies here. Non-admin closure. Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Oksana Grigorieva
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The entire article and all the references in it revolve around the marriage to Mel Gibson which does not give the subject of the BLP notability, as notability is not inherited. Wikipedia's guideline is pretty clear on this: "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person." The article should be deleted, or at the very least redirected to the Mel Gibson article. Oksana Grigorieva has no notability according to Wikipedia's definition. Amsaim (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable musician in her own right, will improve the page. -- Cirt (talk) 14:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Sources that will be used which show significant coverage from reliable secondary sources independent of the subject, include articles in Reuters, and The Times, among many other publications. These sources go into a bit of depth of info about the subject, focusing on her education, music background, career, etc. Will provide more details with full cites. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:15, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Her notability as a musician seems marginal - I did find this. I would like to see evidence of notability outside her relationship with Mel Gibson before I would be happy to keep this - we shouldn't have articles on people simply because the press report on their private life.--Michig (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Try doing searches in various database archives for "Oksana Grigorieva" and "Beautiful Heartache". Prior to that, she also wrote and sang on an album of Josh Groban. Before that, she attended the Royal Academy of Music. -- Cirt (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found this (television) coverage. Also these:, , and plenty more on Google News. Most if not all may not exist had she not been involved with Gibson, but there's enough about her as a musician whatever the reason for the interest in her. It would be nice if we could lose the tabloid crap from the article, though.--Michig (talk) 17:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the links provided by Michig. I too, however, would like to see the article written in a more encyclopedic tone re information about her rather than focusing on her breakup with Mel. Pianotech (talk) 21:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to meet notability standards. Wolfview (talk) 22:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some celebrity boy/girlfriends become independently notable over time; their original source of notoriety isn't relevant if they now meet the GNG. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article clearly has content sourcing others claims to notability beyond being Gibson's girlfriend.  True, her biggest claim may be being his girlfriend, but if she's received newsworthy praise for other things, then it fits.Luminum (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Her name's been in news headlines pretty much every week for, like, over a year now...Adrigon (talk) 03:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
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