Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olaus Andreas Grøndahl


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The result was Speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding delete votes. (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Olaus Andreas Grøndahl

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While this person clearly existed and is covered briefly in the source added, along with a few images available, there is no assertion of notability. Due to the non-English nature of the subject, finding sources can be difficult, but I do not believe the sources are in a depth for this subject to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:MUSBIO. I am willing to be convinced otherwise. KTC (talk) 08:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. KTC (talk) 12:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. KTC (talk) 08:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. KTC (talk) 08:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Grøndahl was active in the 19th + in the first decades of the 20th century, so the absence of online coverage is not surprising. The entry in the Store norske leksikon is a good indication of notability, but I agree that the article needs the attention of Norwegian-speaking editors (or people familiar with local culture/music history). --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we generally take inclusion in another encyclopedia, such as Store norske leksikon, as an indication of notability. It would be good to know if he's in New Grove, or any other music dictionaries. As you say, online coverage is sparse. His wife and son seem to be notable, and he commissioned children's songs from Grieg... I'm veering towards a weak keep. --Deskford (talk) 09:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I think it is better to include and keep this kind of historical information, even in cases when the coverage is weak. I've added another source and additional facts. Another option could be redirecting and adding a brief mention of him to the article Agathe Backer-Grøndahl. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Apart from the entry in Store norske leksikon (which I consider suffient evidence of notability on its own), he has an entry in The Macmillan Encyclopedia of Music and Musicians. The snippet quote available from Googgle Books states:
 * "Grondahl, Olaus Andreas, Norwegian conductor, singing teacher and composer, born Christiania, Nov. 6, 1847; pupil of Leipzig Conservatory and of Lindhult; teacher at the University of Christiania. He founded the Grondahl's Choir in ..."
 * He also has an entry in ''The International Cyclopedia of Music and Musicians (Dodd, Mead and Company. . - Voceditenore (talk) 11:04, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Aside from the Norwegian Dictionary of Biography entry which might incline one to think he might be notable, a google book search should have confirmed he was notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * An entry in an encyclopaedia is in itself an indication that he has been considered notable by people who probably knew what they were doing. In any case, it seems that his wife, pianist and composer Agathe Backer Grøndahl is regarded as more notable today, as she has an article in the most current edition of Norsk biografisk leksikon, while that article refers to the 1st edition of NBL for an article about her husband (but, in other words, he was considered important enough at the time for an article to be included). There is also this 165-page double biography of the couple. --Hegvald (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, per recent additions to the article. Coverage in other encyclopedias is enough. --Deskford (talk) 11:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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