Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old Dirt Road


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. The close is a little early, however due to the expansion of the article, the nominator has changed their opinion to keep, and there was no other advocacy for deletion. Thus, I think it is fine to close this early as a speedy keep. (non-admin closure) Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 12:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Old Dirt Road

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Delete and redirect - The article's citations prove no notability, it's a one sentence stub that just tells you it's a song by John Lennon while the album's article Walls and Bridges already covers that. Other than that it has a list of musicians who are on the song, Walls and Bridges also covers that. Basically this article is s stub of redundant information more suited to the Walls and Bridges article. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - The subject passes WP:GNG. There are several books that cover the song in some detail, for example Blaney's Lennon and McCartney: together alone : a critical discography of their solo work, du Noyer's John Lennon: Whatever Gets You Through the Night, Rogan's The Complete Guide to the Music of John Lennon, Madinger and Easter's Eight Arms to Hold You and Urish and Bielen's The Words and Music of John Lennon.  And that's just a non-exhaustive list from books in my personal collection. Notability is determined by the availabilty of multiple published sources independent of the subject, not the current state of the article.  The nominator made similar claims about the non-notability of other Lennon songs, such as "Meat City"  and "Well Well Well"  and those were quickly turned into decent articles.  It will take some time to complete all the songs that the nominator wishes to redirect, but their notability is similar to "Meat City" and "Well Well Well" and so should be kept.  Further, contrary to the nomination, at least one of the facts in the article as it exists today are not covered in the Mind Games article: the specific instruments played (and by whom) on the song.  It is particularly inappropriate that the nominator wishes to "delete and redirect," since deletion prior to redirecting (even if redirecting were appropriate) would unnecessarily require an editor to perform additional work to restore the information that currently when expanding the article. Rlendog (talk) 21:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Read the section  on here Articles for deletion/Tight A$ listed as "comment" and replace every time I type "Tight A$" with "Old Dirt Road" --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 22:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Your made up notability requirements are as irrelevant here as they are there. Rlendog (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Made up? I was just going by how those articles still don't prove notability and their article makes like look like "just another song on the album that has had no significant media attention or anything else notable." Which is true. Why don't you understand that not every John Lennon song (or even most of his solo work) is notable? --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:06, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Because Wikipedia's notability guideline is "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." Which this song, and "Tight A$" do.  And I am not sure why all the books discussing these songs do not meet your standard for "significant media attention." Rlendog (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree that a musical description is significant coverage. I also don't support of random Lennon songs have articles, where has this song made any sort of impact outside of the Walls and Bridges album? Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per the book sources stated in User:Rlendog's !vote above. The topic appears to pass WP:N. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The books he mentioned still aren't being used as citations on the article... --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:NSONGS which states, "Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." Happy to change my vote if enough detail can be added. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * AS much work as been done, it is no longer a stub, and the consensus is to keep I have struck my merge !vote. This is not support to keep because using, John Lennon: The Stories Behind Every Song, does not make every JL song notable. I think more work on the important JL songs and less on the permastubs would benefit not only Wikipedia, but John Lennon too. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, per Rlendog. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 14:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Well since this is article is on longer a stub and it actually has a decent sized critical reception section, I acutally feel forced to change my vote to Keep. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.