Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old Trinity Grammarians Soccer Club


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The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 22:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Old Trinity Grammarians Soccer Club

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Non-notable football club. No evidence provided and none found that club meets WP:GNG / WP:ORG Hack (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * What more evidence is needed? The page has already been deleted before, but this was due to copyright material, which I had authorised use of anyway. I have this time re-worded the article in my own words to avoid this issue, and have provided references where required. Please let me know if i can revive the old page and fix it to ensure it is adequate per Wikipedia terms and conditions, as this is a legitimate page and club. User:Nickathans 28 February 2013 23:52 Melbourne Time
 * Weak Keep I gather that this club is in a non-league platform and is in the pyramid which can be promoted all the way to the top (A-League). I am however not sure if the club is registered for the FFA Cup know. Being as we have non-league teams in England that are in the pyramid system I am inclined to keep the article. However the page needs a lot of work, references(citations). Govvy (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The club can be promoted to the Victorian Premier League, the second level of soccer in Australia. Promotion to A-League is not possible. The FFA Cup is purely theoretically at this point. Below the top tier of the state leagues, reliable source coverage is next to zero. Hack (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails WP:NCLUB and WP:ORG. just because it could be promoted 2 levels to notable level is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok here is what i can tell you. The club does exist and is a league club! It is directly affiliated with Football Federation Victoria which is the governing body of football in Victoria, Australia. You can find that the club does exist on the official FFV club directory at  FFV Club Directory. The club is competing in Victorian State League Division 5 in the EAST league. The club has the ability to be promoted and relegated through the pyramid of Victorian football, and can reach the Victorian Premier League with continuous promotions. The FFA Cup has not been established yet, so no teams are competing. There is also an FFV State Knockout Cup for FFV clubs to compete in, however this is a voluntary competition, and Old Trinity Grammarians SC did not elect to participate this season. Please summarise for me what the page needs in order to meet Wikipedia standards. User:Nickathans 01 March 2013 10:53 Melbourne Time
 * You need to prove that the club has received significant coverage in reliable sources. The criteria is listed at WP:GNG. Hack (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Nick, as I wrote on your talk page, it needs significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Redirect / selective Merge to Trinity Grammar School (Victoria) (which needs more sources itself) if sources can't be found for this article. The-Pope (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The club has a registered website at www.otgsc.com.au. The clubs also pays affiliation fees to the FFV every year. Results posted at sporting pulse will prove its existence not only this year, but since 2002.  All records have been kept, the club has over 50 playing members.  Please identify what information you still require. Tom Frederico (non registered user)
 * Hey The-Pope (talk), here is the link Sporting Pulse - FFV State League 5 East. You being Australian and based around aussie rules would be aware of Sporting Pulse, as all AFL clubs are registered here as well. Nickathans —Preceding undated comment added 00:52, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please find here match report by opposition club Middle Park http://mpfc.com.au/firsts/round-14-v-old-trinity-grammarians/ and a video taken by local football reporter Football Chaos http://footballchaos.com/index.php/videos/2010/115-pl-rd-20-seaford-united-v-old-trinity-grammarians. The club is also listed on the Trinity Grammar School Kew's Official website http://www.trinity.vic.edu.au/trinity-community/old-trinity-grammarians/otg-sporting-clubs/
 * Please also refer to the following PDF file for further reporting on the club. This is an official independant Publication by Trinity Grammar School (See pages 8 onwards) The Trinity Grammarian - Vol 27 Issue No.2 July 2012


 * comment Well if the club can't go from the VPL to the A-League in a pyramid system then I am not sure how you cover it too pass non-league status, the only valid path is GNG. You will need to add a references section to the article, please look at Man United as an example to go by, notes, footnotes, citations. As all the link you provided here are better suited in the article. Govvy (talk) 12:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that NO clubs in Australia can go from VPL to A-League. The A-League does not have relegation and no clubs in the country can be promoted to the league


 * Delete No evidence that WP:ORG is met, and it is unlikely that this non-professional team is notable. Wikipedia is not a directory of amateur sporting teams. Nick-D (talk) 23:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Nick-D that's a poor response. Wikipedia has literally thousands of amateur sporting teams and associations listed. Here are examples of other Victorian sporting clubs listed on Wikipedia which are part of the same soccer pyramid. These articles seem to be lacking a lot of vital referencing and citations, and are not as organised or referenced as Old Trinity Grammarians Soccer Club, and they don't seem to be under any review for deletion. Please explain: Parkmore Soccer Club, Ringwood City, Williamstown SC, Essendon Royals, Collingwood City F.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickathans (talk • contribs) 01:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems like Old Trinity Grammarians have more than satisfied WP:ORG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickathans (talk • contribs) 01:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you have a re-read of WP:ORG and try that again.  LGA talk  edits   08:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Lack of any independent reliable sources covering the club in detail, the only sources I can find confirm it exists and give details of results, nothing covering the history that would lead you to conclude it is wiki-notable. I have removed a lot of the WP:FANCRUFT in the article.  LGA talk  edits   08:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 19:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Sorry nick, until there is substantive media / books written about the club, it does not meet the inclusion criteria. --99of9 (talk) 12:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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