Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oleg Frish


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The result was   delete. passing mentions do not count towards establishing notability Spartaz Humbug! 03:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Oleg Frish

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I don't see how this person is notable. Apparently, according to the one (Russian-language) source provided for this BLP, he is one of the most famous men in America, but this is belied by the paucity of hits in Google News. I'm willing to state that Carrot Top is more famous. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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MICHAEL Q.]]'' 00:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I began addressing some of grandeous verbiage of the article. Aside from the one source offered, I found another under the name Oleg Frish... a rather lengthy article and interview of the subject from 2004 in Люди... a Russian version of People. )(translation)  and there is actually enough in this longer article to source much of the article... but one does not build a house with only one brick. So I looked further... under the Russian spelling of his name, Олег Фриш and found 3 unfathomable book sources, and 3 more google news sources... minsk.by, Русское радио, and newsru.com.  And while a regular google search under his Amercican name brings back a bit over 1,000 hits, a similar search under his Russian name brings back over 3 thousand results,  So he may be more notable in Russian than he is in English. Translators? -- Schmidt,  ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|
 * Comment The number of Google hits is irrelevant in an AFD. Please check for Google Books and Google News Archive, and then only list reliable and independent sources with substantial coverage. Edison (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. He was recorded at Capitol Studios. So this makes a second brick :-) IMO a sufficient notability for an entertainer. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 02:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That site is "Len Triola Promotional Services, Inc," and is apparently intended to promote the album. It is not relevant to evaluation of notability. Edison (talk) 18:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete It has not been demonstrated that he satisfies WP:BIO. Not everyone who records a record at Capitol Studios automatically gets an encyclopedia article. Did Capitol release the record, or was it recorded at Capitol for private distribution? How high did it climb in the popular music charts?  Perhaps someone could demonstrate that he also has multiple reliable and independent sources with substantial coverage. Edison (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you are wrong about Capitol. If it were a single claim for natability, then I would agree with you. But a colleague above mentions that he found significant sources in Russian language. I fail to see why a host of a long-standing TV program and took significant role in some several other shows. is nonnotable. In other words, per WP:BIO/entertainers (Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions), your argument is rebutted.  Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 17:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hosting a TV show does not establish notability, without secondary reliable and independent sources having significant coverage of it. Google hits, whether in English or Russian, cannot prove notability. And you have not responded to the request for documentation that the recording was notable: reviews? Chart success? Your "rebuttal"is insufficient to prove notability. Google News archive search shows one article, in Russian, the Google machine translation to English of which is not convincing as to his notability.  Edison (talk) 18:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Machine translations are not the preference, however the in-depth article Edison did machine translate, and the other two found that he did not acknowledge, act as futher indicators of the GNG being met and of a notability to Russia suitable enough for en.Wikipedia, even with us not having heard of this gentleman in the West.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the nonsense about "Did not acknowledge??" Only the one article I cited showed up in Google News Archive search. The first of the articles you found somewhere provides only a passing reference and does not establish notability: (In translation). The second one, which you also found somewhere, just says (in translation): "Resnick: I did not know that this is such a popular channel, called me Oleg Frish, I just talked to him. He said: How do you feel about this?  I replied that I am very sorry, and I do not like it.  Kirkorov: You have so many years living in America, you are well aware of Frisch and to the station.  This is the most popular radio station.  Resnick: I never knew it was a popular channel. " Another passing reference, which establishes that Resnick did not know it was a popular radio program. This is your best evidence for notability? Edison (talk) 02:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I will continue to hope for input from Russian Wikipedians with access to sources unavailable online in the West, as where there is even one significant and in depth article found, there may well be more. And even "passing mentions" may be used to per policy properly verify some aspect of a BLP, such as the individual and his show being spoken about and referred to by others... even if negatively.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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