Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olgivanna Lloyd Wright


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The result was withdrawn by nominator without dissent. Non-admin closure per speedy keep guidelines. Serpent&#39;s Choice (talk) 17:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Olgivanna Lloyd Wright

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Delete as per WP:N. Having a relation with a notable person doesn't assert someone's notability. Though this article claims she had a crucial role in the life and achievements of Frank Lloyd Wright but failed to clarify how. Moreover, its verifiability is also very narrow. Taking all those issues in account, nominating this article for deletion. --  Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  16:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn: As other fellow Wikipedians are thinking she is notable and some third-party references have also been presented to support her notability, I think it is clear that right now notability is not a problem with this article. Though when I tagged this article, it was completely unreferenced (also hard to find online references by Google search as well) and the only claim that tries to make her notable was - she had a crucial role in the life and achievements of Frank Lloyd Wright. But, gradually it is revealed that she is notable on her own right. Second issue was copyvio which is also fixed. Thus, I am withdrawing my nomination and thanking everyone who have participated in this discussion, specially its enthusiastic author who is new but promisingly active. Cheers. -- Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  16:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

SPECIAL NOTE:Article edition/addition is still in progress. She introduced Wright to Gurdgieff, another figure with whom she had substantial and well-documented involvement. The first third or so of the recent critical biography The Fellowship is almost entirely devoted to her and her involvement with both Wright and Gurdgieff. To have been involved with two such daring figures, and have introduced them to each other, in a notable accomplishment indeed--not to mention that her grandfather is also especially famous (in Eastern europe); and she is certainly worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. The very fact that she was a woman in those days meant that her contribution and role was not necessarily documented as well as her male counterparts. Additionally, she is extensively referenced in the Frank Lloyd Wright article and other Wikipedia articles. This would provide a link for those references to go to. etc. etc. Mr manilow (talk) 16:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, as it appears to be a copyvio - I have nominated for speedy deletion via db-copyvio. Jeodesic (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment As copyvio is sorted, I see no clear reason for deletion. Jeodesic (talk) 02:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see my note on the article's talk page. Anyone linking titans like Gurdjieff and Wright, some of the biggest names in their respective fields, certainly should NOT be deleted!  As for the copyvio, I'm still trying to edit this article, and it should be easy enough to reword the 3 lines or so that are claimed copyvios so as not to be that, even though their content is straightforward enough.  Please re-consider deletion, she was one of the main female students of Gurdjieff and clearly one of the main influencers of Wright, considering most of his work was completed after her introduction to the picture etc. etc.   Mr manilow (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This should be deleted as a blatant copyright violation. But Olgivanna is sufficiently separately notable for her role in running the Taliesin Foundation, which did not just oversee her husband's works and legacy but included the Taliesin Fellowship, a working architectural firm. There were elements of controversy during her quarter-century tenure. While notability is not transitive -- not even from two different directions -- she was an active participant both during and after her husband's lifetime. --Dhartung | Talk 18:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It is no longer a copyvio so I have removed the speedy tag - by the time I reviewed it there was only one sentence that appeared to be copied from the cited page so I rewrote it.  nancy   (talk) 19:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Mild plagiarism (apparently a small portion of one sentence) has been removed, though the remainder could use some expansion and cleaning up. — CharlotteWebb 19:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Do I get a vote too? (as article creator) Otherwise you can just delete this line, of course. Mr manilow (talk) 02:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep there seem to be sources for notability with relation to his work. The assumption that she was ncessarily insignificant is perhaps a little old-fashioned. DGG (talk) 10:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a notable person with interesting connections. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC).


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.