Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oli London


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oli London

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This page about an influencer seems to fail the notability criteria on Notability (people) Quark1005 (talk) 03:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I haven't looked in depth at the article or the sources, but at first glance there seems to be significant coverage. They're currently listed as a google topic. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Sigcov in The Daily Dot, Sky News, and Business Insider. Mlb96 (talk) 05:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There is a lot of coverage. NY Post, TMZ, etc. all covered it.Topjur01 (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Close to a consensus above (discarding policy-deficient !votes), but relisting to see if it can be established more clearly. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails Notability and WP:NOTGOSSIP The majority of this article is about their obsession with looking Korean, and their non-binary gender preference. If you take the personal details out, there aren't enough actual achievements to warrant even a stub article. — Maile (talk) 02:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Why does it matter whether someone has had "achievements"? Sigcov is sigcov, whether it's positive, negative, or something in the middle. And I don't think your statement that they received coverage for identifying as non-binary is correct; the reason they received coverage in relation to their gender identity was because they requested that people use the words "korean" and "jimin" as their pronouns, which (understandably) offended a lot of people and led to media coverage. Mlb96 (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The coverage I found was all practically the same and looking at the article's edit history I see it was subject to lots of unsourced content about their music career which isn't notable. I vote it gets deleted for now but if someone wants to keep it they can draftify it and add to it until it's ready for mainspace. FanDePopLatino (talk) 03:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete They only notability is the fact that their looking Korean and their non-binary gender preference. They was not well-known until coming out of as Korean and non-binary, and their music career is not well-known too. From my opinion, they does not warrant an article. Toadboy123 (talk) 04:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep London has more than half a million followers across social medias. Their music career is not particularly notable, however with a debut album being released on December 1, music videos by Oli have received millions of views. However, the most notable of London is their body transition, which has received a huge amount of publicity and media attention where most news websites released an article about London in the past few months. Oli London is quite a well known figure now, whereas there are much less well-known people with a Wikipedia page. DRYT.Motorsport 13:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because someone has half a million followers in their social media platform does not mean that he/she/they would warrant a notability for a Wikipedia article. Oli is only well-known for their body transition. Their music career was unheard of until the news of their body transition and attempt to look like Jimin. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a celebrity gossip site. Toadboy123 (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I’m not trying to say that because Oli has followers they are worthy of a page. London caused a huge amount of media attention and controversy this year, making their name a common site in news articles. This isn’t like making a page about your friend, this person is a notable person. DRYT.Motorsport 10:23, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There is WP:SIGCOV such as this in Sky News and this in Insider. Whether someone has had "achievements" or not is irrelevant, the coverage is there. Draftifying an article with 25,000 pageviews over the last month does not improve the encyclopedia and will discourage people from improving it. Evidently this content is of interest to our readers. NemesisAT (talk) 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of coverage in major publications. JonnyDKeen (talk) 19:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep; clearly meets WP:SIGCOV, and while yes, some sources do say similar things, they clearly aren't copying off each other, so I don't think we need to worry about that. I noticed that some others here have brought up the fact that the article is too focused on "personal details," but it this case, it is precisely the personal details that are of interest to many of the cited sources. Oli London's statements of gender and racial identity are of particular public interest when it comes to political and philosophical questions generated by the controversy over their public statements (An example of this is briefly quoted in the footnotes). As such, I personally would not remove or "trim down" that aspect of the article. Yitz (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is hardly any information that can help their article be expanded, as much of is it only regarding the subject's obsession in trying to look like Jimin. Their music career is not that popular and is very poorly received among general audience. Just because a subject has a lot of coverage does not mean it would automatically merit a creation of an article for him/her/they. I don't think Wikipedia should deserve to have an article of someone who is only famous for changing their race by having multiple plastic surgeries and engaging in obsessive/toxic fan behaviour. Toadboy123 (talk) 08:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


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