Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Fish and Kyle Lewis (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Oliver Fish. There is consensus to not keep this article, but there is no consensus to either delete or merge it. Redirection is a compromise, allowing content to be merged from the history if desired.  Sandstein  19:36, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Oliver Fish and Kyle Lewis
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Now that's new. Not only we have a separate articles about fictional characters (twins) Oliver Fish and Kyle Lewis but we also have this article about them as a duo. Three is a bit too much, wouldn't you say so? References don't seem to support the notability of the duo (fails GNG). Delete or make into a disambig between those two (through KL is in such a poor shape that I prodded it anyway...)? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:01, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:01, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete This article duplicates the content of two different articles. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 06:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. A notable couple in maybe the longest running soap opera on tv. Nom says they are prodding the very article this content would be merged to! If the content should be kept, it should; and the only debate is where to keep it, it is; then this was never a good AfD subject.
 * Perhaps instead a RfC to see what is the best outcome for all three subjects? Gleeanon409 (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given that one of the articles has been deleted, some more discussion on what should be done would be good.
 * This should definitely be merged with Oliver Fish because of the large overlap, but I am not sure which one shall be the merge target (the prodded Kyle Lewis has major PLOT issues and therefore seems out of the race). Since the characters' sexuality and relationship seem to be the reason why these characters are discussed at all by reliable sources, my argument would be to only leave this duo article up, or (one step further) merge it altogether into a parent article (I'd say One Life to Live storylines (2000–2013), if it wasn't ALLPLOT and hence AfD-prone itself). – sgeureka t•c 14:20, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete There are rare cases where a fictional couple is notable, such as Superman and Lois Lane. However this involves a couple who have existed in an active publication comic book for 81 years, who were shown on a date (well as Clark Kent and Lois Lane) in the very first iteration of that comic, whose marriage in the comic in 1996 was coordinated with their marriage on a TV show, who have been portrayed in at least 4 live action TV series (including the Arrowverse), 4 different live action films, and multiple animated TV series. That is the level of saturation you need to justify an article on two individuals who already have seperate articles, we do not have that here by any stretch of the imagination.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. I do believe this content should be merged with the Oliver Fish and Kyle Lewis pages and that a standalone page for the two of them together isn't necessary; though I also think the PROD that added to Kyle Lewis should be removed at least until a merge can be attempted. If at that point it still appears Kyle Lewis isn't notable, an AFD discussion can be held at that point.  suggestion about an RfC about all three subjects might also be a good way to go here... — Hunter Kahn 15:50, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge, probably with Oliver Fish. The rise and fall of gay storylines on soap operas is an interesting reflection of changing cultural attitudes towards LGBT people in America. Toughpigs (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment This article should not become a redirect page, as it would be impossible to know which character the reader is searching for. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 19:19, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply a conglomeration of two existing articles.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:47, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Loving the gay representation I see before me, but a section on individual character articles would suffice. – DarkGlow (talk) 17:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * A section where? Do you mean merge instead? Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete outright on the basis of the nomination and the comments above. This is the sensible choice, instead of merging or redirecting. -The Gnome (talk) 00:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Why delete, rather than merge? Toughpigs (talk) 01:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.