Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver John (wrestler)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  11:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Oliver John (wrestler)

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Non notable wrestler. Fails WP:GNG, all sources are WP:ROUTINE  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  13:30, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete no notable wrestlers. Sources are routine. I just remember him losing against the debutant Sheamus in ECW --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

More details added. He also Wrestled against Chuck Palumbo and The Highlanders in the WWE, as well as several big names from Mexico such as Rey Mysterio Sr La Parka and Blue Demon, Jr --ldeffinbaugh (talk) 11:10, 24 October 2018 (EST)
 * Everything you have added are from WP:PRIMARY sources. Nothing to support WP:GNG, which from what I can tell is because there is noting out there to support GNG. -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  17:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I did have a New York Times article posted, that someone removed, I will re-add it. - 'ldeffinbaugh (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2018 (EST)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 10:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I see no significant independent coverage to show WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 19:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 18:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep This is well structured and the references are in line with others in American male professional wrestlers. I hear the WP:PRIMARY argument but look at the rest of them in category.--JAMillerKC (talk) 17:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE is not enough to show notability. Would you please show me the significant independent coverage of him in reliable sources that support the claim of notability? Papaursa (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair point, but I'm saying there needs to be consistency and that would require a major clean up of others in the category.--JAMillerKC (talk) 15:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comparing this to several other posts, such as Colby Corino who is known due to his father and his appearances in TNA and ROH but does not meet the WP:Primary, there are more references and history for West Coast promotions as well as Mexican promotions for him then the example listed.- 'ldeffinbaugh (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * Sorry, but I'm not really a pro wrestling aficionado. Correct if I'm wrong, but it seems like the arguments for keeping this article are that other articles exist that are no better or even worse.  I'm just trying to judge this article on its own merits.  I have no objection to keeping it if someone can show the references that would meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 01:18, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I can post them on here too like I did on the page. NBC Bay Area https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Pro-Wrestling-Revolution-Academy-Pro-Wrestling-Dreams-Start-Inside-San-Jose-Warehouse-270540651.html?fbclid=IwAR2JyTEvkDKfmUS0cSQ3m74ba50wrOqMv69CP0rJVPn32zvmBoeWBL1HNEE

New Your Times Editorial http://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/opinion/border-patrol-body-slam.html - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2018 (EST)
 * Thank you, but neither of those sources provide significant coverage of Oliver John--there's a passing mention in the NYT and he's not mentioned at all in the San Jose local piece. Papaursa (talk) 01:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2008/07/11/6134906.html - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2018 (EST)


 * Delete It fails WP:GNG even after the new sources provided here.LM2000 (talk) 12:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


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