Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympiacos U-21


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The issue of merging can be discussed on the article's talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Olympiacos U-21

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Contested prod, reason was "there are loads of reserve team articles". Article is not notable under WP:NFOOTBALL as, unless other reserve teams like FC Bayern Munich II or FC Barcelona B, the team has not competed in any professional football league. Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 17:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 17:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete - while reserve teams are generally considered notable (see, for example), there is no information that can't quickly and easily be merged into the parent club's article. GiantSnowman 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep - As noted above, reserve teams are considered notable. I disagree as to the advisability of a merge of this page with the already over-long Olympiacos page. This is a logical place for a division of that piece. Carrite (talk) 01:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Reserve teams are generally notable, main article has WP:LENGTH issues which prevent me from encouraging a merge. &mdash;SW&mdash; confer 23:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Added two references. Notably Wanderson is valued at 250,000 Euros on the transfer market. Olympiacos is also considered to be the club that contributes more to football in Greece than any other club. This reserve club is notable.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 00:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Transfermarkt is not considered a reliable source for market values since the sums are being estimated by the community of the site, not by any independent organizations. I also don't buy the argument that Olympiacos is the club that contributes more to Greek football than any other club, it is clearly not WP:NPOV. For example, any of the big Athens clubs would immediately oppose this statement. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 01:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Have added four more references including: sports facilities, owner, manager, and Wanderson.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 06:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment – Regarding the length of the article – we are talking about the simple addition of a roster here, as the article currently has nothing else for content. The Olympiacos F.C. article has roughly 68,500 bytes at the moment; adding the U-21 roster would add only about 2,000 to 2,500 bytes, which is not a significant enlargement. The whole matter would look different if the amount of data to be included into the parent article would be much larger, of course. In short: The article needs to be significantly expanded along the lines of this, this or this if it should be kept; everything else does not make much sense at all. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 01:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge - I agree with Soccer-holic on this. The roster is not so much information that it would cause length problems with the parent article. Likewise the parent article contains some duplicated information, the foreign players section for instance, that could easily be traded out for the reserve team roster. Sir Sputnik (talk) 06:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - The infobox is mainly about Olympiacos_F.C.. And "2009–10 Super League Greece, 1st" is wrong? The main article says "2009–10 Super League Greece, 5th (2nd in regular season)". Anyway, currently I would say merge. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Reserve team is the breeding ground for future stars of football! It is absolutely notable and should be kept. About the merging issue, I think it should not be merged with the first team page because the first team page is already lengthy, which is quite reader -unfriendly Andrew Powner (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Olympiacos F.C. per GiantSnowman and Soccer-holic. There is no information that could not be reasonably included in the parent article. BigDom   talk  16:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.