Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar Hesham


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. BD2412 T 04:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Omar Hesham

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL and WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 23:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Hesham is a member of the first BAL championship team ever. --H-Hurry (talk) 15:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Hesham Hussein has played for the Egypt national team, also at FIBA AfroCan 2019. --H-Hurry (talk) 23:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ambox warning pn.svg — Duplicate vote: H-Hurry (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above. —Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The text of WP:NBASKETBALL does not afford notability to players on national-level basketball teams, so keep rationales relying on it are unconvincing. Relisting to give a chance for GNG-qualifying sources to be identified.
 * Keep Meets NBASKETBALL as he was on the Egyptian national team. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 15:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, I don't think we're looking at the same NBASKETBALL.. JTtheOG (talk) 18:35, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC) https://www.filgoal.com/articles/411292 https://www.shorouknews.com/news/view.aspx?cdate=29062021&id=330c7f93-c078-4c62-87c5-f8e963dfd761 https://gate.ahram.org.eg/News/2843251.aspx https://tatweeg.news/?p=30314 https://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/2367131 https://www.kooora.com/?n=1045371 https://www.masrtimes.com/98289 —Mahmoud The Beast (talk) 01:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Confirm that WP:NBASKETBALL does not list playing on a national team as making a player inherently notable.—Bagumba (talk) 08:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Omar Hesham played in and won the Basketball Africa League (BAL) in it's inaugural season. The Basketball Africa League (BAL) is the premier competition for basketball clubs in Africa, it is the most important and prestigious basketball club competition in Africa, and it's organised and sponsored by the NBA which is the premier basketball league in the world. The WP:NBASKETBALL should be changed to include the Basketball Africa League (BAL). If the premier and most important and prestigious basketball club competition in Africa is not considered notable, that's basically saying that African basketball is not important or significant, who decided that African basketball is not important or significant?! that's a bias. —Mahmoud The Beast (talk) 00:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The BAL is an amazing competition that will hopefully elevate African basketball for years to come. However, under your suggestion, should that make every premier continental club competition inherently notable enough? Basketball Champions League Americas, FIBA Americas League, FIBA Asia Champions Cup, ABA Club Championship are all current or former premier continental leagues. Are you meaning to say that every player in every year of every one of these competitions is notable? If Omar Hesham is such a notable player, there should be some coverage in online sources. The admin has said he is waiting to close the discussion in case any other sources are found, which do not even have to be in English. A few days later and still no additional sources specifically discussing him have been added. What does this (likely) tell you about his notability and most of the players in the BAL? JTtheOG (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do believe so, but that is not the discussion. Keeping in mind that Omar Hesham did not just play in it, he won it, in it's inaugural season. Here is several sources that mention Omar Hesham and discusses him and his achievements (in Arabic):
 * That's awesome. Since the last five are copies of eachother pasted on different websites, those are three additional sources that mention him. Any way you can flesh out the article by incorporating the information from these articles to better establish his notability? JTtheOG (talk) 01:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - If this is the only coverage on him then he fails WP:GNG and the article should be deleted. None of the sources in the article go towards GNG and all of the articles listed above (five of them being the same) are from June 2021. He has to have significant coverage over a longer period of time. If there is more then it is probably in the Egyptian media. I did find this article but I don't have enough knowledge on Egypt to know if this is a reliable source. Alvaldi (talk) 10:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: as a result of this discussion I have proposed changing the Basketball player guidelines which are now very US-centered. I would like to know others think about this. See Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) --H-Hurry (talk) 18:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep notable enough in the history of Egyptian basketball. Someone looked in Arabic sources? SportsOlympic (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


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