Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omer Dekel


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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 21:20, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Omer Dekel

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not really certain seriously doubt (edited by request) Professor Dekel passes our GNG DarjeelingTea (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * Strong Keep. With his books and articles about his teachings, as well as public positions, he clearly passes WP:ACADEMIC. The issue, that need to be solved in the article and absence of sources. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 09:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I protest the nomination of an article at Afd with the stated reason that "not really sure". Unless a nominator is sure an article does not meet criteria, they should refrain from nominating them. Debresser (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well nominator may not be sure, but currently it's clear case of BLP and though I personally think the article must stay, first thing to avoid deletion is to put proper references. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Source or delete BLP applies and any bio needs a bit more than one workplace stafflist if it's to stand. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete A lot about this article and the nomination seems off. Firstly that person created the article and tagged it as an orphan and walked away making no other changes, seems a bit strange to me. Additionally a person unsure about if its notable or not nominated it within 1 minute of being posted. How did all of this happen? Anyway, as it stands right now the only source is a staff listing. There is no sources proving he meets WP:GNG on top of all of the WP:BLP violations. -  Galatz Talk  15:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Galatz - to answer your question, I was checking the New Pages Feed at the time this article was created. I also AfD'ed these articles within minutes of their creation: Articles for deletion/Cosmo Village, Articles for deletion/Student Visa Extension Fee Structure in India. DarjeelingTea (talk) 16:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Leaning Keep. I wish I could see any indication that Nom is aware of WP:BEFORE  But a very quick search indicates that sources exist.
 * (Yukins, Christopher R. "EDITOR'S NOTE: A RESPONSE TO OMER DEKEL'S "LEGAL THEORY OF COMPETITIVE BIDDING"" Public Contract Law Journal 37, no. 2 (2008): 269-70. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25755453.)
 * The Philadelphia Inquirer "Omer Dekel, alliances and innovation partner, broadband, cable, and satellite at Amdocs" .E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * E.M.Gregory:
 * Your second source (the Inquirer) is about a different person named Omer Dekel entirely. A 60-second Google search shows one is a middle manager with brown hair at a small company in Bala Cynwyd, Philadelphia, our BLP is a professor in Israel with grey hair.
 * So much for making assumptions based on a unique-looking name.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a tip - when I WP:BEFORE I usually include, as part of the process, a Google Images search as it can sometimes help identify cases of identical names. You might find it helpful, too. With 7 billion people on Earth, the only assumption I generally make during BEFORE is that there are at least two people who have the same name. DarjeelingTea (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The first source doesn't provide biographical information, it's an acknowledgment that the BLP wrote an article about competitive bidding in a small scholarly journal (with an impact factor of 0.09, lower than the Appalachian Law Review). 
 * DarjeelingTea (talk) 16:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, no. the JSTOR link  is not to an "acknowledgement", it is a short essay in which the journal's  editor takes issue with certain aspects of Dekel's argument.  I do not know this journal, or this field; I do not know whether this is an important journal or not.  Note, however, that in nominating an article where you have done a WP:BEFORE assessment, it is usual to give fellow editors a précis of how your searched and what you found.  Especially useful if, as you imply, you have some knowledge of the academic field concerned and the prestige of the journals in which a scholar has published.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My basic point, however, is my discomfort with deleting unsourced articles about a page where apparently plausible claims to notability are made unless good-faith attempts have been made to verify those claims.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I hope the fact I was, in fact, aware the Philadelphia Inquirer article you cited was about an entirely different Omer Dekel ameliorates your concerns about the thoroughness of my BEFORE vetting! Best - DarjeelingTea (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Is anyone here familiar enough with journals asses the standing of this one? one? Can anyone speak with authority about the significance of the scholarly argument in which Dekel and the editor were engaged?E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:30, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am. Public Contract Law has an impact factor of 0.09 which means that it is relatively infrequently sourced in academia. By comparison; the Yale Law Journal (the top-ranked law journal) has an impact factor of 2.7. From 2008 to 2015, articles in Public Contract Law were cited in case law 15 times, or about twice a year. By comparison, the Yale Law Journal had 109 case cites in the same period of time. That said, even if he'd been published in the Yale Law Journal that still wouldn't establish notability by itself with no other sources. Every month, thousands of academics are published in scholarly journals; per WP:ACADEMIC, journal publication does not confer automatic notability. The specific work of Dekel's which is being referenced has been cited by other academics a very modest 22 times, a number of which are unpublished papers or publications of places like "Banjaluka Law School" (which probably does a good job producing parking ticket attorneys but maybe not ICJ jurists). DarjeelingTea (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your comparison analysis. The Yale Law Journal is one the most prestigious law journals, but it covers many areas of law.  The American Bar Association is just as prestigious.  Our article Public Contract Law Journal states that "it is the official journal of the American Bar Association Section of Public Contract Law" in association with George Washington University Law School (another prestigious institution located in the U.S. capital).  In fact, George Washington University Law School publishes a journal comparable to the Yale Law Journal with a slightly higher impact factor (2.92), Georgetown Law Journal.  But these are journals that cover wide areas of law.
 * Unlike the Yale Law Review and Georgetown Law Journal, Public Contract Law Journal covers the very specialized area of public contract and procurement law. Using a Google search of government+procurement+law+journals, guess what comes to the top?  Answer: Public Contract Law Journal.  I also plugged it in to this site that ranks law journals by various criteria, which did give the stats you have for the category "All Subjects".  But the appropriate field is not "All Subjects", but the closest subject matter, "Commercial Law". For that subject for 2015, Yale Law Journal is not listed at all, whereas Public Contract Law Journal was ranked 8th for case sites with 15 cites (top was 51); 22nd for journal cites with 318 cites (top was 1118); 30th for currency; and 34th over all.  The fact that the author got cited 22 in this very specialized field suggests to me he is probably an expert in the field, which is what the first line of the article says. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Unlike the Yale Law Review and Georgetown Law Journal, Public Contract Law Journal covers the very specialized area of public contract and procurement law. Using a Google search of government+procurement+law+journals, guess what comes to the top?  Answer: Public Contract Law Journal.  I also plugged it in to this site that ranks law journals by various criteria, which did give the stats you have for the category "All Subjects".  But the appropriate field is not "All Subjects", but the closest subject matter, "Commercial Law". For that subject for 2015, Yale Law Journal is not listed at all, whereas Public Contract Law Journal was ranked 8th for case sites with 15 cites (top was 51); 22nd for journal cites with 318 cites (top was 1118); 30th for currency; and 34th over all.  The fact that the author got cited 22 in this very specialized field suggests to me he is probably an expert in the field, which is what the first line of the article says. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable law professor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not see enough to pass GNG or PROF. None of his works are highly cited and there are no independent sources in the article. Since his photo, File:Omer Dekel.jpg, is listed as own work by the uploaded I suspect there is a minimum of a COI issue and probably a UPE issue here as well. Jbh  Talk  20:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per my comment above. He appears to be an expert in the field of Public Procurement Law.  He is cited about 18 times and as early as page 4 in this 204 page International Consortium produced document that is an "Introduction" to the subject.  --David Tornheim (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I did some more research. This is his Hebrew Page:  עומר_דקל).  Looks about the same.
 * Our English article says "his books on Public Procurement Law...have become the leading textbooks in the field, cited in hundreds of judgments of Israel’s Supreme Court and Administrative Courts." Well, I seriously doubt that the books are the leading books in the U.S. since they are written in Hebrew and do not appear to have been translated. However it may just be an improper translation to our English page.  The Hebrew version (using Google translate) says his "books - Tenders A and auctions B - books are the country's leading law sector tenders, and earned him the status of an authority in the field of tenders. The books are cited in hundreds of judgments of the administrative court and dozens of judgments of the Supreme Court."  So his books may be the main text used in Israeli (and, perhaps, any college of law that is held in Hebrew). --David Tornheim (talk) 12:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - While he may be an expert, he doesn't pass WP's notability criteria. There's not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and his anemic citation counts (high of 22), doesn't help him pass WP:SCHOLAR.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:33, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


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