Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omer Tarin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Omer Tarin

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Non-notable English language poet. Fails WP:NPOET. Störm  (talk)  08:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep - I created this article quite some time ago and while not very notable, or famous, the poet Omer Tarin is still reasonably notable and well known as a Pakistani poet writing in English. He has received some critical attention in his country and elsewhere and students have even written research theses on his poetic writings. I still believe this article has a future for eventual expansion as the poet is still writing and his work is regularly published. So I would suggest to Keep, please. thanks. Khani100 (talk) 20:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Khani100 Blocked sock
 * Could you link examples of the critical attention or theses? — MarkH21talk 20:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi MarkH21, I can mention some of the sources offhand but I don't think they would be available online. For example, well-known Pakistani critics and writers like Tariq Rahman and Alamgir Hashmi have critiqued his poetry in their articles in Pakistani and foreign publications. I think a review appeared many years ago in The Journal of Commonwealth Literature, UK in the 1990s. I also remember that 2-3 theses were written on his poetry at BA and MA levels, in Pakistan. I think one thesis was written by a student at the University of Malakand in KP province of Pakistan, I think it was supervised by Prof Aziz of that university's English Department, probably sometime in 2013-2014. Many Pakistani writers and poets who write in English and are quite well-known started writing way back in the 1980s and the 1990s , they were also critiqued and reviewed back then mostly but does that mean that if something isn't available online it doesn't exist? Look at the pages on Wikipedia regarding Pakistani poets like Kaleem Omar, Taufiq Rafat, Shahryar Rashed and others. They are all well known writers but there is little material available on them today online. Omer Tarin is part of this chain or tradition of English poetry from Pakistan. Except for a few , the rest are now deceased. Omer Tarin and Harris Khalique are two who are still writing and will certainly grow in name and stature. They should remain. Khani100 (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Khani100 Blocked sock
 * They don't have to be online links, but specific citations (e.g. titles, publication details, etc.) would be nice for verification purposes. We need to know for sure whether the subject passes one of the criteria of WP:NPOET. — MarkH21talk 22:57, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, as I said before I am sorry I don’t have many details available with me now, as I mostly stopped editing Wikipedia maybe 8-9 years ago, although I do a bit occasionally. As far as critical reviews are concerned, if you look at the References section on the Omer Tarin page I think there are full citations given of some articles and reviews of his poetry by prominent Pakistani literary critics Dr Tariq Rahman, Muneeza Shamsie and Prof Eric Cyprian. Alamgir Hashmi the poet and academic also reviewed his poetry as well as some other poets from Pakistan in a research article in The Journal of Commonwealth Literature, UK, in September 1995, Vol 30 I think.  Omer Tarin also played a part in developing the theory of a Pakistani literary-artistic idiom along with scholars, critics and poets like Taufiq Rafat, Raza Romi and others, this article by the writer Bina Shah briefly refers to this theoretic recognition: https://www.dawn.com/news/1240869   . He is also a historian and his writings and contributions in this field have also been recognized in books by some authors like Peter Oborne in his book on Pakistani cricket: https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=EXXGBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA523&lpg=PA523&dq=omer+tarin+and+peter+oborne&source=bl&ots=AoyFfJkZJY&sig=ACfU3U1IolbPEnzsctKet-1TMiv0pV_PEQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiiqoLv3LbnAhXJMMAKHdASDLgQ6AEwAnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=omer%20tarin%20and%20peter%20oborne&f=false       In fact, if Omer Tarin’s literary and academic  work is compared with other Pakistani writers it’s actually reasonably notable and noteworthy.  Khani100 (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)Khani100 Blocked sock
 * Sir please I request, why you wish to delete this ? Kindly Keep. Many people like the poetry of Omar Tarin, a good poet from our country. Most humbly, thanks. SyedAnjumAli1 (talk) 11:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)SyedAnjumAli1 Blocked sock

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. One might argue that he passes WP:AUTHOR #4c (he did won some attention, and who knows if it was "significant"), however the history of creating this page and multiple accounts are concerning. My very best wishes (talk) 17:32, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Socktastic editor also made articles for him in German, Scots (!) and Fiji Hindi. —МандичкаYO 😜 16:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NPOET. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: There are reviews towards NPOET #1 & #3, but not enough for the admittedly subjective significant, important, or well-known. — MarkH21talk 02:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


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