Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omnia (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 05:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Omnia (band)

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Maral Haggimoni reached out to OTRS asking for this article to be deleted because she does not want any reference to her participation in the band Omnia to come up when her name is Googled. Procedural note: Maral was made aware that by requesting the deletion, her communication with OTRS would be made public as much as was necessary to fulfill her request for this to be nominated for deletion. She is also aware that the nomination is by no means a guarantee that the file will actually be deleted.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  19:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. 20:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 20:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Does the existence of an OTRS ticket rule out speedy keep for failure to supply a valid reason for deletion?  This strikes me as close to frivolous.  Google Search reveals plentiful reliable sources, mostly in German or Dutch.  The existence of the request would appear to confirm that her entry here is factual.  - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 20:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I personally agree with you that from a policy standpoint this should be kept, but she asked for it to be nominated for deletion, and so I did that.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  20:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment...since her being in the band is unreferenced anyway can't we just remove her name from the list of previous members?Theroadislong (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I contemplated that answer, but in light of your below point, I don't think that it'd work - certainly not long term - and even if it did work it would be making something from factually accurate to factually inaccurate.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  20:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What does Maral Haggimoni plan to do about the dozens of other websites and foreign Wikipedia articles that connect her to Omnia?Theroadislong (talk) 20:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Can her reasoning be expanded upon? Is the connection to Omnia false? or something she now regrets? Seems a rather bizarre request. Theroadislong (talk) 20:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Commons has File:Maral Haggi Moni.jpg, a photo of her signing autographs with the band. Her appearances with the band are a matter of public record.  We now have a reference for the fact that she is a former member.  Not really interested in the story of the ugly breakup, or why she now finds her association with an apparently long running and successful act embarassing or inconvenient: but someone should gently break it to her that all that she's going to get out of these efforts is the Streisand effect.  Already looking them up on Spotify.  Wikipedia is not censored. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 22:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * KeepIf the article was about her alone then it might seem a reasonable request, but not for a band that she once performed with. Wikipedia is not censored.Theroadislong (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Procedurally, while I can understand this person's plight to a certain extent, the band itself is hardly to blame. A search on Google.de seems to indicate the subject is relatively notable and possibly meets WP:BAND, however I am not even considering the notability since I believe the deletion rationale to be invalid, without prejudice to the nominator. And removing the requester's name from the band is not an option either, since it's a fact that she was a member of the band. It's a lose-lose situation, and again I understand the motivation, but erasing one's presence from the Internet is sometimes simply not possible. § FreeRangeFrog croak 22:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. Does this by any remote chance have anything to do with Islamic terrorism / Sharia law / Blasphemy in Islam / Apostasy in Islam and credible  threats to human lives?  A deletion request from an experienced veteran with such a flimsy excuse for a reason suggests that there's a real reason we're not being told. This is entirely rampant speculation on my part as well: from the material presented in this AfD, it remains meritless.  If this is the actual reason for any of this, AfD isn't really the right forum, either.  I still say to speedy keep this, but I'll honor any administrative office action. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * When someone writes into OTRS asking for something to be placed up for deletion, I would rather place it up for deletion with the full knowledge that it's probably not going to get deleted than to unilaterally say no to the person writing in. That way, it undergoes the same due process as it would if the person writing in created an account and put it up for deletion themselves. As for the rest of your comment, I do not talk to anyone that is not an OTRS member about the details of OTRS tickets, period. That's not a "yes", that's not a "no", that's a "this isn't a question you should be asking, and I won't engage you on the issue". I'm sorry, but I take the confidentiality of the role very seriously.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree, and I'm not criticizing you. But if it's anything of that nature, I'm not sure that a public deletion process isn't just making things worse. If this isn't something we should be discussing, it follows that we shouldn't be discussing it: and therefore, a public deletion dicussion does more harm than good.  More importantly, human lives are more important than Wikipedia rules.  If it's that important, just do something, invoke the usual office action protections, and let's close this AfD. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Band is probably notable although article needs better sourcing (preferably by Dutch speakers). The reason for deletion doesn't strike me as valid: it's one thing to delete an article on a person, since that's likely to be very high in search results, but if someone's involved with a notable band then it's reasonable to mention them briefly and proportionately. I understand OTRS people pass on these requests without judging the merits. But I don't see how we can help, or even if we should help. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I would not lose any sleep if this article were deleted, as I think the case for notability is iffy at best. But that's not a question on the table. On point, the individual requesting deletion does not actually appear to be mentioned in the article at all, so maybe I'm missing something? If she wants the article deleted so that it does not mention her, but it doesn't actually mention her... what's the issue? UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:01, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the mention of her along with numerous other previous members of the band, it was all unreferenced.Theroadislong (talk) 21:06, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article on a corporation should not and may not be removed based on a vague request of a former member. —Goudron (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.