Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On Parole (Les Misérables)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge into new article. This was a tricky one. Remembering that "Merge" and "Redirect" are both forms of keep, there was celarly no consenssu fo deletion. (Indeed even if those opting for "Redirect" are considerd as deeltes, there is still no consensus to delete). There was celarly morfe support for keeping the content unhidden in some form than for a redirect that hides the content (10:5, or 10:7 if you include thsoe opting for delete or transwiki). This leaves the choices between merging to the existign article and to a new one. There was more support for the latter, and this contetn would probsbly be over-long for the existign main article anyway. Note that content can later be merged elsewhere or otherwise edited without an AfD -- merging and splitting are normally editorial decisions. DES (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

On Parole (Les Misérables)

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NN songs in Les Miserables. Songs have had no fame outside of their parent musical and therefore fail WP:MUSIC. Most current articles are either rehashes of what's already in the main article, OR glurges on the mood of the piece, or filled with unencylcopedic information like key signature and vocal range. It should be noted that I would normally have redirected these to the main article, however, they were all recently prodded (by another editor) and the tags were removed. In the interest of fairness, they've been posted here. &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  05:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No stance on deletion. If deleted recreate as redirect to the musical for navigational purposes. -- saberwyn 07:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with and redirect to Les Misérables (musical). Groupthink 07:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect. Some of the songs do have fame outside of the musical in cover versions. Cruft can be replaced with actual info on cast album singer, Playbill review, etc. Wl219 10:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect most to the article for the musical. Almost all of these articles are original research, just describing the song's melody and what's going on in the story at the time the song is sung. Exceptions: Keep the articles for "On My Own" and "Do You Hear the People Sing?" because they show some relevance of the song outside of the musical. (And yes, knowing that "On My Own" should be kept, I did go through that whole list to find which other articles were worthwhile, which is why group nominations tend to suck.) Propaniac 14:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Transwiki all to wikibooks per Notability_(fiction) Corpx 14:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect All to Les Misérables (musical) Rackabello 15:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to new article Songs from Les Misérables. There is interesting content which should be retained, comparing the English version of the musical to the original French.  Make a new article as the content would unbalance the main article. - Fayenatic london (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC) - SEE DRAFT HERE!
 * Comment The new article proposal is simply a more lengthy version of the plot summary in the main article and would serve no encyclopedic purpose. That is why I didn't propose a merger of these articles.  &mdash;   Music  Maker  5376  19:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to new as per Fayenatic_london. Not enough material to send to Wikibooks, I think.--SarekOfVulcan 18:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge either into Les Mis or a Songs from... article, HOWEVER I would Keep: I Dreamed a Dream and On My Own (Les Misérables), as I think they are now musical theatre standards. -- Ssilvers 19:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, keep them as redirects but delete the rest. The song articles are small, and work better as parts of a whole. - Fayenatic london (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge most into a new article per Fayenatic_london and Ssilvers. Bearian 02:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into new article like proposed by Fayenatic_london. Keep existing articles as Redirects. Two articles have already been deleted. Is it possible to get the content back? Jonathan Gr 10:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well spotted: Overture / Work Song (Les Misérables) and The Confrontation (Les Misérables) were not rescued from the PROD. Yes, please would someone recover them if the decision here is anything other than delete? - Fayenatic london (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Trim and merge to the main article or Les Miserables musical.JForget 15:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to the article for the musical. I'm the one who prodded them. These songs are not independently notable, any more than every song off every album is independently notable. Many of the articles as they currently exist are basically descriptions of the plot surrounding the song and if they were merged as is they would in my opinion constitute a WP:PLOT violation. Otto4711 18:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Les Mis without prejudice against recreation if a valid and referenced article is created. Atropos 22:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect All to Les Misérables (musical) per everyone above. Non notable as individuals.  Giggy  UCP 00:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all, they're definitely all notable. Everyking 15:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into a new list: List of songs from Les Misérables, though I think that "Do You Hear the People Sing?" and "On My Own" are more notable, given the chance (and if the South Park homage is true, "One Day More") Will (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)