Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On a Little Street in Singapore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rollidan (talk) 00:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

On a Little Street in Singapore

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Not enough sources exist to write an article of substance. Questionable notability. Unsourced for twelve years. Merge proposal for almost one year. Vmavanti (talk) 22:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Peter DeRose. Mccapra (talk) 05:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Why didn't I think of that?Vmavanti (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Why DeRose and not Billy Hill (songwriter)? wbm1058 (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as per Rocks in My Bed, there are substantial references to justify the notability of this popular song. An even cursory glance at Google Books would have confirmed this. I've expanded it so 's evocation of WP:HEYMANN applies. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:HEYMANN is an essay of someone's opinions. That's all. It has no relevance here. It's not Wikipedia policy. It can be ignored. End of story.Vmavanti (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, overwhelmingly, 100% dead wrong about WP:HEYMANN being irrelevant just because it's an essay. The nominator has recently nominated many articles for deletion when what they actually needed was improvement, and is now telling us that the improvements made by other committed volunteers should be ignored just because something is an essay. If your fingers are capable of creating AfDs and false claims about things being irrelevant, those exact same fingers are capable of improving the articles. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure I said: "is now telling us that the improvements made by other committed volunteers should be ignored"? If I were you, I would be very careful about making false accusations on Wikipedia. I've seen people banned for it. Is it possible to disagree without impugning my character? Now that would civil. I would appreciate that. Thanks, mate.Vmavanti (talk) 19:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: it's possible that this article will not be kept because of the lack of sources, but I'd question the statement in the first line that it's now "obscure"... it's not like it was never popular, and I certainly think it remains well known among aficionados of this style of music. And seeing as it was covered by almost every big band outfit of the 1940s, there could well be more sources from an earlier era. Richard3120 (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Where are these imagined sources?Vmavanti (talk) 02:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I never said there definitely were sources. I said there may be, because this was a well known song in an earlier era, with numerous recordings of it. But you'll notice I didn't vote keep, because I can't do so on a premise of WP:SOURCESMUSTEXIST, and I'm not in a position to look for sources from the 1940s right now. Richard3120 (talk) 02:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Richard, the article has been expanded and numerous sources have been added to it since this discussion began. No Swan So Fine (talk) 07:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * sorry, I wasn't being clear... I was referring specifically to any possible further sources from the 1940s that Vmavanti was challenging me on, not the ones that you had already added. Richard3120 (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries! :) No Swan So Fine (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm good with it - it was sung by Sinatra, too. My first impression was keep until saw it on Dylan's album and lost focus. 16:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Redirect to Fallen Angels (Bob Dylan album) - it's #8 in the album and wikilinks to Peter DeRose and Billy Hill which covers it all in that one redirect. Atsme  Talk 📧 13:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep An admirable amount of work was just done on this article by No Swan So Fine, demonstrating both that the song is discussed in myriad sources and that redirection/merging would be a poor decision. Chubbles (talk) 14:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - and remove the merge proposal. The article has been improved by No Swan So Fine with reliable sources that the nominator should have found during a WP:BEFORE search. Per the WP:HEYMANN standard, which the nominator incorrectly claims is irrelevant, the deletion rationale was based on the state of the article at that time. Now that the article has been expanded and improved by others, the rationale for deleting has changed and the article can be evaluated on its current state. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:HEY. With reliable sources added by No Swan So Fine, the article is good enough to pass WP:GNG. My vote stands. And so does theirs. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 04:45, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Regarding these sentences: "The song features a haunting, lazy hook in a minor key, with numerous diminished chords. The overall impression is both languid and wistful." Are they:
 * 1) Opinion
 * 2) Quotation
 * 3) Paraphrase


 * If 1, then omit the sentences (Don't delete them, omit them; deleting is evil). If 2 or 3, then the sentences must be properly sourced. The other editor in the jazz project and I concluded long ago that we wanted to see the project follow the rest of Wikipedia by having every sentence sourced. That means every sentence should have a citation and footnote at the end of it. It's in everyone's interest to do it that way. I don't have a link to an essay, so course that invalidates the judgment of the two people who have done the most work on jazz articles. A few more points. Is sinatrafamily.com a reliable source? Exactly how many uses and definitions does the word "features" have? They must be numerous. How many items are in a "numerous" and why should I take your word for it? What's the difference between an impression and an "overall impression"? What's the difference between "lazy" and "languid"? Can a song be wistful? Or is a person wistful because of a particular song? Should there be unsourced figurative language in a Wikipedia article?Vmavanti (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've omitted that unsourced sentence. The sinatrafamily.com site is owned and maintained by the family of Frank Sinatra, and so I believe it to be a reliable source for creative works by Frank Sinatra. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. That's probably true.Vmavanti (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep in view of the additional sources now included. Mccapra (talk) 19:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


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