Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On the curb


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 15:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

On the curb

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Obvious dicdef, can't be expanded. Deprodded without comment. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The topic is notable, being documented in works such as A Financial History of the United States, The London and New York Stock Exchanges 1850-1914. Warden (talk) 19:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to American Stock Exchange, the redirect topic for The Curb and which both of the above sources seem to be referring to.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 19:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Searching for references is complicated by the fact that the American Stock Exchange began its existence as the New York Curb Exchange (and, originally, was entirely unorganized curb trading). Many of the book uses of the phrase "on the curb" are actually references to activity "on the Curb".  I do think there's room for an article on this type of financial activity, but this isn't the name it would need to be under.  If there's consensus that such an article is viable, I'd suggest moving this to curb trading to enable expansion; if not, redirect to American Stock Exchange as noted above. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 19:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * On the curb appears to have originated in the 1800s. I found ar article that noted, "The American Stock Exchange's original name - the Curb - conveys its history. For decades, trading on the Curb took place outdoors year-round, with brokers on the street in New York City and phone clerks in nearby office buildings." As noted in, American Heritage August 1, 2005, "But while this decorous affair was going on inside, many brokers, even members of the New York Stock and Exchange Board, were trading outside on the "curb," a free-for-all market on Broad Street. Each lamppost marked a spot where particular stocks were traded. Brokers wishing to buy or sell a stock would go to the designated post and yell out their offers until they found a broker willing to take the other side." Another article notes, "many Jews and Irish Catholics were denied membership in the NYSE, so they did their business out on the curb. That led to the founding of the New York Curb Market Agency in 1908." We do have a redirect New York Curb Exchange. For other on the curb articles, see, "During the 1800s, companies raised money by selling stock on the curbs of Wall Street. At that time, the stock market was called The Curb and brokers who helped companies sell stock were known as curbstone brokers. These brokers used elaborate hand signals to trade because there was so much shouting and confusion. It was not until the 1920s that the stock market moved indoors.". (PREWITT: Is that just legend, Arthur, or did people really trade stocks standing outside on the curb? LEVITT: They did trade stocks standing on the curb. That was a remarkable institution which held on to its traditions long after it should have and eventually was turned over to the New York Stock Exchange.) -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Too funny. The common term for securities traded off exchange is OTC trading and -- lo! -- even Wikipedia has a longstanding article about it! Over-the-counter (finance).Bali ultimate (talk) 22:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and move to curb trading - "On the curb" raises WP:NOTNEO issues, but curb trading is more descriptive of the topic. Redirect New York Curb Exchange, curbstone broker, curb exchange, and/or the Curb to curb trading. The topic seems valid as since it appears to originate from the 1800s and has an interesting history (see my post above). The US based term may have spread to mondern day India, Poland, and Belarus: Columbia Journal of World Business mentions "The short duration of trading hours and its corollary of trading on the curb represent other aspects of the markets weaknesses" for stock trading in India. In Poland, an article notes, "Large blocks of securities can be traded in off-session (on the curb)." Another article contrasts the open market with on the kerb (spelled "kerb") market for Belarus. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or move to Curb trading per WP:HEY and above discussion. Many possible sources have been found per WP:BEFORE. Bearian (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Too, too funny (this is an excellent example of incompetence though). Wikipedia currently has two articles on precisely the same thing. One is a stub for a now disused slang term (which is mentioned in the ASX article). The other is a better article on the more mainstream term for precisely the same thing. Don't hurt yourselves thinking on it.Bali ultimate (talk) 15:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.