Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oneiroid Psychosis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  07:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Oneiroid Psychosis

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Fails WP:GNG. Can't find anything through a Google News search on this group. None of the article is sourced except external links to self-published websites. Can't even find verification that some of the grouop's albums were release on COP International, at least not via a search on COP's website. Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Granted, the article is in sore need of a solid copyedit and removal of extensive (and unnecessary) ramblings on the lives of these musicians: the fact that "they had to literally cut a huge chunk of (Lars Hansen's) skull out to get to the hematoma" or that "Lars has been doing better and is active with music and back to making swords", are entirely irrelevant to the true subject in question (namely, the band itself) and serve no actual purpose besides from making the article look like a blog entry. It could really use better sourcing as well.
 * However, the very core of the article (factual information on the band, its career, discography et al) pass WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. The band appears to have received in-depth coverage by at least two different secondary sources (that I could find - given my unfamiliarity with the band in particular and its musical genre in general, I wouldn't be surprised if more were available), namely:
 * Gothic Beauty magazine, issue 11
 * Zillo magazine, February 2006 issue (magazine facsimile taken from the band's site, but authenthic coverage nevertheless). Unfortunately the contents themselves are not entirely accesible online; however, reliable sources exist and are available, just not a click away - therefore satisfactorily complying with WP:GNG.
 * Additionally, confirmation of the band's association with COP International is easy to verify by merely checking the albums' entries at iTunes  and Amazon, thus complying with the requirements set at WP:MUSIC.
 * Last but not least, all of the band's material is available through each and every major retailer, including (but not limited to) Amazon, iTunes, Barnes & Noble and CD Baby, as well as all major streaming services, namely MOG, Rhapsody, Spotify and Last.fm. (while this may not enough proof of the band's notability by itself, it is nevertheless a significant indicator when coupled with the elements outlined above; as is the huge number of online resources dedicated to this band).
 * To sum it up, the article needs to be trimmed in favor of relevant facts, severely WP:WORDed and properly sourced; but notability seems to be in place. Best regards, Athilea (talk) 06:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. With respect to the only two sources cited about the band above (Gothic Beauty and Zillo), it is impossible to tell what the coverage is of the group. I agree that the sources don't need to be online, but someone has to have read them to be able to report about the significance, if any, of the coverage inside. I don't know what Athilea means by the "huge number of online resources dedicated to this band"; if she's referring to the sales of their music, that just doesn't cut it. You can an awful lot of "music" on the web.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply. You don't have to talk about me in third person like I wasn't present :) Agreed; it'd be desirable to at least check the coverage dedicated by said sources, in order to confirm through WP:GNG its notability as already established, since the subject passes at least one of the criteria detailed at WP:MUSIC (having at least two albums released by a major record label). Which is the reason why I've asked the band via their website to provide scans of those publications (and others, if available) in order analyze and weigh their merit.
 * By "resources" I alluded not only the thousands of mentions at the web (online magazines, fan pages et al), but also the availabilty of all their material through each and every major retailer and stream service. These elements of course are not a source of notability in itself, but nevertheless an indicator when coupled with the other evidence presented above. I know "You can (sell?) an awful lot of ``music´´ on the web.", which is why I said so in the first place. Athilea (talk) 19:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, no offense intended, although you weren't present when I added the comment (at least I didn't see you). :-) (Yup, I forgot the word "sell" - what I really wanted to say was that "you could sell an awful lot of awful music on the web, but that might betray personal bias.) --Bbb23 (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Very weak keep. With coverage in reliable sources apparently verging on nonexistent, it's going be difficult to have a satisfactory article here. The fact that the band has released several albums commercially and have at least received some coverage makes me look for a reason to keep rather than delete, but I don't feel strongly either way. I did find this chart placing, but I doubt that a chart compiled by 'CMJ's pool of progressive radio reporters' is really going to cut it.--Michig (talk) 18:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing here worth keeping  Brookie :) { - he's in the building somewhere!}  (Whisper...) 15:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

KEEP THIS ENTRY http://www.chaindlk.com/interviews/Oneiroid-Psychosis/
 * If it's a matter of gaining credibility, here are some other interviews:

http://boolk.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/realities-inside-and-outside-%E2%80%93-an-interview-with-oneiroid-psychosis/ --LadyJhereg http://lyrics.wikia.com/Oneiroid_Psychosis - — Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyJhereg (talk • contribs) — LadyJhereg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * More confirmation from LadyJhereg... Here is a link to the lyrics to all OP songs on Lyrics.wikia:

KEEP THIS ENTRY
 * Proof of releases on COP International:
 * [http://www.copint.com/ddtonline.asp?searchstring=Oneiroid%20Psychosis


 * Barcode and Other Identifiers:
 * CD - Stillbirth
 * Barcode: 7 03513 00772 5
 * Matrix / Runout: COPI0308190
 * Other (Label Code): LC 02441


 * CD - Dreams (With Pollutions When Virile)
 * Barcode: 7 03513 00672 8
 * Matrix / Runout: 06182-9380-0
 * Other (Label Code): LC 02441


 * CD - Forever Is Forgotten
 * Barcode: 7 03513 00852 4
 * Matrix / Runout: COPE.040810.001
 * Other (Label Code): LC 02441 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.115.52 (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — 68.49.115.52 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B  music  ian  14:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete Wouldn't argue too much with a keep. Problems with sources: brief mentions or interviews which are just reporting the words of band members rather than discussing their work. I really would expect more detailed coverage if the band were notable.  Tigerboy1966   00:43, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B  music  ian  06:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

 Seen this band around on the net for years. While the article itself doesn't contain footnotes, it's appears to be accurate based on articles I've read over the years, and based on the band's own page. They've been around too long too ignore, and from past readings they have made a place for themselves in the darkwave genre. I'd say absolutely keep. --SpiderFolk — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpiderFolk (talk • contribs) 17:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)  — SpiderFolk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * KEEP
 * Weak keep – In addition to the sources already noted, I found a newspaper review of their album Stillbirth: Thompson, Stephen. Wisconsin State Journal. 16 Nov 1995, p. 7. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 00:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.